-

Jump to content



Photo
- - - - -

I've just had 'the' conversation with my supervisor


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
58 replies to this topic

#1 of 59 OFFLINE   Gary->dee

Gary->dee

    Screenwriter

  • 1,923 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 14 2003

Posted September 30 2003 - 05:33 AM

You might know the one. They talk about your performance on the job, expectations, your future with the company and so on. It's the talk that eventually leads to the company letting you go if you don't improve. Well I could care less. I've been working at my job for more than 2 years and I'm sick of it anyway so if they show me the door I'll probably relish the time off. Then reality will sink in and the bills will mount.

I've begun the process of preparing for possible unemployment. I've made my doctors and dentists appointments and I've deleted a ton of files that I've kept on my computer. I know they could probably still access the stuff after it's been deleted but there wasn't any porn involved anyway so I'm not worried. I contacted someone who interviewed me earlier this year when I was eager to leave. Don't know if that'll come through or not. Don't really care anyway, I'm willing to move back down to San Diego with my family.

THIS JOB SUCKS

Woo just had to get that out as part of the psychological conditioning to prepare me for whatever may happen because if they show me the door that's what I'd like to remember about my job so I won't feel too bad about losing it.

#2 of 59 OFFLINE   Danny Tse

Danny Tse

    Producer

  • 3,190 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 01 2000

Posted September 30 2003 - 06:05 AM

Hey Gary,

I am in the same boat as you are. I am sooooo sick of my job that the talk of possible layoffs is actually good news to me. WooHoo!!! But since it took my supervisor 7 months to give me my post-probation evaluation (and that's after I spoke with HR and have them force him to give me an evaluation to put into my personnel file), any talk of me not applying myself from him may take even longer.
SACD not listed at sa-cd.net (updated 8/26/2009)

#3 of 59 OFFLINE   Gary->dee

Gary->dee

    Screenwriter

  • 1,923 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 14 2003

Posted September 30 2003 - 07:11 AM

Right on, Danny. If they let me go I just hope it is deemed a lay off so I can get unemployment money. Anyway I'm also in the process of finding out more about personal bankruptcy. Two things I'm sick of: my job and paying the same bills every month. There are ways of fixing both of those. Posted Image

#4 of 59 OFFLINE   LarryDavenport

LarryDavenport

    Screenwriter

  • 2,980 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 15 1999

Posted September 30 2003 - 07:33 AM

At least your boss didn't comment on how you dress. I used to get a talking to by my supervisor for coming to work in jeans and t-shirt, despite the fact that I was doing telephone customer service for Eddie Bauer AND I bought my jeans and t-shirts from Eddie Bauer.

#5 of 59 OFFLINE   Gary->dee

Gary->dee

    Screenwriter

  • 1,923 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 14 2003

Posted September 30 2003 - 07:39 AM

Ironically enough I am wearing jeans and a T-shirt today and part of my problem with my job that I laid out to the supe was that I'm tired of this particular thing they got me working on which involves calling people on the phone and getting information from them. I compared it to telemarketing. But my clothes aren't a factor because it's a data company that deals with the entertainment industry.

#6 of 59 OFFLINE   Todd Hochard

Todd Hochard

    Screenwriter

  • 2,314 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 24 1999

Posted September 30 2003 - 08:02 AM

Quote:
It's the talk that eventually leads to the company letting you go if you don't improve.
Let me flip it... why is your performance so poor? (Rhetorical question- I can see why)
Life is too short to spend doing something you hate. Do both you and your employer a favor and move on.
Quote:
paying the same bills every month.
Did you inherit these bills??? I'm not big on those who shirk personal responsibility. You bought the stuff, why should someone else pay for it?
I love to singa, about the moon-a, and the june-a, and the springa...
-Owl Jolson

#7 of 59 OFFLINE   Danny Tse

Danny Tse

    Producer

  • 3,190 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 01 2000

Posted September 30 2003 - 08:09 AM

I've talk to several people who started at about the same time as me, and they wanted out as well. I suppose it was just a mismatch of employees and the jobs involved. Oh, I am still doing my job as best as I can, it's just that I don't see myself growing professionally at my current job. Since layoffs are almost here, I will wait it out to get my unemployment benefits.
SACD not listed at sa-cd.net (updated 8/26/2009)

#8 of 59 OFFLINE   Steven K

Steven K

    Supporting Actor

  • 832 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 10 2000

Posted September 30 2003 - 08:09 AM

Thank you Todd.

I'm actually sick and tired of people who are looking forward to being laid off because they want some "time off" or because they "hate their damn job." The reality is that most people don't like their job. It's nothing new, it's just that our society has become very good at providing handouts for those who just want a break.

I'm in the same boat as alot of people - good possibility of losing my job soon. But I do not look forward to this, and I try to do everything I can to control it.

#9 of 59 OFFLINE   Todd Hochard

Todd Hochard

    Screenwriter

  • 2,314 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 24 1999

Posted September 30 2003 - 08:35 AM

Quote:
Oh, I am still doing my job as best as I can, it's just that I don't see myself growing professionally at my current job.
I think many people have unrealistic expectations about job growth, anyway. It seems that everyone thinks they deserve six promotions in five years, and making six figures 2-3 years out of school. I find that, for many, it's a false ambition- the entire goal is the money, not spectacular, and justly rewarded, performance in their field. Every service job is just a stepping stone of mediocrity on the way to the top (a job which most at the top completely suck at, IMO), eh?

I wish there were more people who were satisfied with what they do. They'd be a lot better at it (and I, the end consumer, would be better off for it) if they were.

I'm suggesting that you embrace your mediocre low-to-mid level work, and dazzle those around you. If you need "growth" in your life, there are myriad ways outside of work to get that fulfillment.

Don't get me wrong- I may take some time off for me (and my family) in the not-too distant future, but it will be self-financed.

Todd <--content middle-level worker, because I'm damn good at it, and I have control of my financial life.
I love to singa, about the moon-a, and the june-a, and the springa...
-Owl Jolson

#10 of 59 OFFLINE   Holadem

Holadem

    Lead Actor

  • 8,972 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 04 2000

Posted September 30 2003 - 08:40 AM

Work is not fun. That's why they call it work.

Quote:
I'm suggesting that you embrace your mediocre low-to-mid level work, and dazzle those around you. If you need "growth" in your life, there are myriad ways outside of work to get that fulfillment.

Amen.

--
H

#11 of 59 OFFLINE   Patrick Sun

Patrick Sun

    Studio Mogul

  • 37,754 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 30 1999

Posted September 30 2003 - 08:54 AM

Some people work to live, others live to work. Which describes you?
"Jee-sus, it's like Iwo Jima out there" - Roger Sterling on "Mad Men"
Patcave | 2006 Films | 2007 Films | Flickr | Comic-Con 2012 | Dragon*Con 2012

#12 of 59 OFFLINE   Gary->dee

Gary->dee

    Screenwriter

  • 1,923 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 14 2003

Posted September 30 2003 - 09:04 AM

Quote:
Let me flip it... why is your performance so poor?


Here's the thing; this particular supe that talked to me has a habit of over-exaggerating the situation. So if I've been slacking for the past 2 or 3 days, which I admitted to him that I have, he's talking about possibly letting me go if I don't improve. Now to me that's uncalled for. Let me know that I should be doing better and that's it. Instead it turns into this big showdown where I'm telling him that I'm basically burnt out on this job because I've been doing the same boring thing for almost 3 years and I had a hangover yesterday so I didn't get much done. He said I should have called in sick, but would he prefer some work be done or none at all because I wasn't at work?

So that's why my performance was poor recently. I don't think I've maintained a steady record of poor performance or else I wouldn't still be employed. The supe even brilliantly analyzed that I have my highs and my lows for work. I told him that he was correct. Doesn't everyone? I told him I think he's focusing too much on this low point.

Quote:
Life is too short to spend doing something you hate. Do both you and your employer a favor and move on.

I agree and I'm taking steps to move on.

Quote:
Did you inherit these bills??? I'm not big on those who shirk personal responsibility. You bought the stuff, why should someone else pay for it?


I'm not sure what you're getting at. Is this in reference to my remark about filing for bankruptcy?

Quote:
I'm actually sick and tired of people who are looking forward to being laid off because they want some "time off" or because they "hate their damn job." The reality is that most people don't like their job. It's nothing new, it's just that our society has become very good at providing handouts for those who just want a break.

There will never be an end to people complaining about their jobs. There are better jobs than others. Jobs with room for growth and futures, jobs that earn more money, and jobs that people are happy or at least content with working. What exactly is this 'handout' you are referring to? Are you suggesting that I shouldn't be entitled to unemployment benefits? I wouldn't be retiring on those small checks.

Quote:
I'm suggesting that you embrace your mediocre low-to-mid level work,


Aim low is that it? So basically I'm screwed because I have ambitions and desires to do something else with my life and I should be comfortable with where I am now. It's like "Here's a rock, suck on it for a while to make more saliva in your mouth so you can quench your thirst".

Todd some of the stuff you wrote makes sense but I think it's all relative. You can't apply the same way of thinking to each person because each person is different. If you feel your perspective works for you then that's great, more power to you. I think it's wrong to suggest to embrace mediocrity and I believe people should always strive for a better life. False ambition is better than no ambition at all.

#13 of 59 OFFLINE   Jack Briggs

Jack Briggs

    Executive Producer

  • 16,725 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 03 1999

Posted September 30 2003 - 09:27 AM

Gary, I normally don't participate in these types of threads, but your latest post tells me you did absolutely everything wrong and nothing right when talking with your supervisor. You basically said, "I don't care about this job, and that's why I was goofing off." Whether you mean it or not, you have to give your employer the impression that your job is about the most important thing in your life (and you should perform in like manner). Also, bear in mind that the maximum unemployment benefits in California (assuming your salary matches the requirement) are only about $250-300 or thereabouts a week. Think about that. Not an easy life being unemployed, especially in this expensive state during this period of economic stagnation.

#14 of 59 OFFLINE   Todd Hochard

Todd Hochard

    Screenwriter

  • 2,314 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 24 1999

Posted September 30 2003 - 09:44 AM

Quote:
Aim low is that it? So basically I'm screwed because I have ambitions and desires to do something else with my life and I should be comfortable with where I am now.
The desire to do something else in your life does not relieve you of the responsibility to EARN your current paycheck to the best of your ability. You admitted that you are not doing that.
And to be frank- if you were ambitious, you'd be out achieving those goals, instead of here belly-aching about be too forthcoming (as Jack duly noted) with your supervisor. Let me put it bluntly- if you were my employee, after your aforementioned conversation, you'd already be gone.
Quote:
I think it's wrong to suggest to embrace mediocrity and I believe people should always strive for a better life. False ambition is better than no ambition at all.
You're under the false notion (along with most of America) that more income = better life. I used the term mediocrity not in the performance of work, but in reference to the type of work. Everyone wants to be the director, the CEO, and nearly everyone sucks at those positions.

I'll give you an example- there's a middle aged guy that works at my local Home Depot. It doesn't matter what I need- he can point me directly to it. He suggests better alternatives for some of my hare-brained projects. He is the freakin' MASTER of Home Depot! I am most grateful for these types of people.
The flip side of that is the tech on the Dell support line (before they all moved to India) who I could tell didn't want to be there. He was essentially of no assistance, even though he "tried his best," because his heart wasn't in the game.
Quote:
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Is this in reference to my remark about filing for bankruptcy?
Yes.

Find something you are good at, and thrive.

Todd
I love to singa, about the moon-a, and the june-a, and the springa...
-Owl Jolson

#15 of 59 OFFLINE   Gary->dee

Gary->dee

    Screenwriter

  • 1,923 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 14 2003

Posted September 30 2003 - 10:20 AM

Quote:
You basically said, "I don't care about this job, and that's why I was goofing off


And you'd basically be correct, Jack. I can't tell you how many times I've thought about telling the person I spoke with today that I quit. So my attitude did reflect what I was feeling and thinking because no I don't care about this job. I've essentially got one foot out the door anyway but my mind left the building a long time ago. Now I just go through the motions. And yes I'm aware of how little unemployment checks can be. I've been there many times.
Quote:
if you were ambitious, you'd be out achieving those goals, instead of here belly-aching
I think one of the reasons for my lackluster and careless attitude towards my job is because I'm sick of this city and am contemplating moving down to San Diego. I'm not doing what I set out to do here and I can't blame anyone but myself. In that respect I think I need to focus on what I originally came here for or leave because anywhere in the middle, such as where I am now, just makes me rot.
Quote:
You're under the false notion (along with most of America) that more income = better life.

I think a higher income equates to a better quality of life. But I also think that more money doesn't necessarily make a person happier. At this point I might be happier as a shrimp farmer in Norway.

#16 of 59 OFFLINE   Ted Lee

Ted Lee

    Lead Actor

  • 8,398 posts
  • Join Date: May 08 2001

Posted September 30 2003 - 11:55 AM

it's seems pretty clear you don't like your job and i'm sure (whether you realize it or not) that your performance/attitude reflects this.

but you're doing the right thing by leaving. staying there is doing neither you (nor the company) any good.

bail out and get yourself a meaningful job.

nuff said. Posted Image
 

#17 of 59 OFFLINE   Todd Hochard

Todd Hochard

    Screenwriter

  • 2,314 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 24 1999

Posted September 30 2003 - 01:27 PM

Quote:
I think a higher income equates to a better quality of life. But I also think that more money doesn't necessarily make a person happier.
I'd put it exactly the other way around, once middle class is reached. High net worth (i.e. "having" money) is more likely to make you happier than a high income. This is especially true if you been at the same (or slightly increasing) income level for a long period of time. Basically, it's an indicator of a financially secure person.

I didn't mean to single you out specifically. I work with lots of "half-assed" people whose jobs are union-protected (I'm a consultant on the outside looking in, so to speak), and their sustained lackluster performance is quite annoying. You could say it's a sore spot with me.Posted Image

As stated, I'd recommend moving on quickly, for your benefit. Good luck.

Todd
I love to singa, about the moon-a, and the june-a, and the springa...
-Owl Jolson

#18 of 59 OFFLINE   Chris Lockwood

Chris Lockwood

    Producer

  • 3,215 posts
  • Join Date: Apr 21 1999

Posted September 30 2003 - 04:13 PM

Todd, union jobs in Orlando? What type of jobs are those? I'm guessing teachers or other gov't employees, because that's about it around here for union jobs.

#19 of 59 OFFLINE   Todd Hochard

Todd Hochard

    Screenwriter

  • 2,314 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 24 1999

Posted October 01 2003 - 12:41 AM

Semiconductor Manufacturing.

Please note that I'm not completely anti-union (in this age of CEO "rock-star" pay, someone's got to look for the average guy), but I've never agreed with the protection they've offered the tenured slacker. In fact, I have no use for tenure in general. Perform, and perform well, or be gone.

Todd
I love to singa, about the moon-a, and the june-a, and the springa...
-Owl Jolson

#20 of 59 OFFLINE   Kirk Gunn

Kirk Gunn

    Screenwriter

  • 1,612 posts
  • Join Date: Aug 16 1999

Posted October 01 2003 - 12:46 AM

Gary - I suggest you quit before you're fired. While being firing/laid off allows you to collect unemployment, it is a scar on your resume. Do yourself and your supervisor a favor and leave as soon as you can find another position. You'll be better off in the long run.

Good Luck in finding that perfect job.


Back to After Hours Lounge



Forum Nav Content I Follow