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Quick review on 1080i scaling Liteon LVD2001 DVD Player


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#1 of 680 Marc Carra

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Posted September 29 2003 - 12:47 PM

I just picked up the new Liteone LVD 2001 DVD player, and the 1080i scaling works great. This player will scale any DVD (even copyprotected ones) up to 1080i resolution, and output it through it's component outputs. My primary DVD source right now is a Radeon equipped PC running Theatertek software. The HTPC scales all DVDs to 1080i so this is my benchmark I used to test the Liteon player. he Liteon will output 480P, 720P or 1080I. The latest firmware contains a very easy way to turn off region coding and macrovision so that all DVDs can be scaled to 1080i. The resulting picture is quite good. It is much more filmlike than a 480p image. The color rendition is as good if not better than my HTPC. Detail is not quite as good as the PC, but about 85-90% as good. There seems to be a bit more noise in some scenes than I am used to seeing with the HTPC, but nothing objectionable.

The p-scan button on the remote switches between 480i, 480p, 480 i Pal, 480p Pal, 720p and finally 1080i.

You can play just about anything with this player including MP3, JPG files, Mpeg files, Divx files, and Mpeg4 files. I have just been experimenting with DVDs so far.

All in all for the price ($195CAD), I'm very satisfied.

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#2 of 680 David Susilo

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Posted September 29 2003 - 01:04 PM

can you please post a pic and tell us where you purchase the unit?

#3 of 680 Matt DeVillier

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Posted September 29 2003 - 01:10 PM

Also, does this unit windowbox 4x3 titles in a 16x9 frame (for those of us whose sets lock in full at 480p+)?

#4 of 680 Marc Carra

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Posted September 29 2003 - 02:32 PM

David, I got mine here:

http://www.ncix.com/...x.php?sku=10402


Matt,

Yes, it does windowbox 4:3 material, at 1080i anyway. I haven't tried ant 4:3 at 480p yet. I watched a Star Trek episode and it looked great in 1080i.

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#5 of 680 Craig_Kg

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Posted September 29 2003 - 02:39 PM

Here's a quite detailed review.

Also, there's a detailed review of the video performance s a Samsung 931 on avs forum.
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#6 of 680 David Susilo

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Posted September 29 2003 - 02:45 PM

More questions:

1. How much did you get charged for shipping
2. How's the built quality?
3. Does it have chroma bug?
4. Does it converts PAL disc to be diplayed on NTSC TV?
5. How's the layer change?

#7 of 680 Marc Carra

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Posted September 29 2003 - 03:09 PM

David,

1) It was about $20CAD for overnight shipping.

2) Build quality is quite good, considering the price. The player has a good weight to it.

3) No Chroma bug. I did the Toy Story test.

4) Yes, it is supposed to convert Pal to NTSC. I don't have any Pal discs to test.

5) I haven't noticed any problems with the layer change.

#8 of 680 Stephen Hopkins

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Posted September 29 2003 - 04:33 PM

These are going on ebay for around $170 as well as a slew of other VERY similar players based on the same chipset going BIN as low as $135. The Bravo D1 is based on the same chipset but has DVI output and doesn't scale to 720p/1080i over component w/out a hack.

I have the Bravo D1 and am using DVI. PQ is great, features are great, Divx 3.11 suppport is fairly sketchy. The only real problem is the loader is noticably buggy. i out of every 5 discs i have won't play correctly on the first try. Open it up and close it again and it'll usually play right, but slow loading makes this a fairly bothersome process.

#9 of 680 Marc Carra

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Posted September 30 2003 - 01:36 AM

No loading problems on the Liteon. It's actually quite fast to load up DVDs.

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#10 of 680 Brajesh Upadhyay

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Posted September 30 2003 - 05:06 AM

Just ordered mine here.
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#11 of 680 David_Rivshin

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Posted September 30 2003 - 05:45 AM

Marc,
You indicated that the LVD-2001 will upconvert copy protected (commercial) DVD's to 1080i on the component output, but the review that Craig pointed to seem to say that it did not. Can you double check that again, or better yet can someone else confirm it as well?

Also, for those interested Newegg.com also has the LVD-2001 for $150 and free shipping. They're generally considered one of the most reliable e-tailers for computer products. Nothing against PCClub, but I've just not heard of them before.

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#12 of 680 Ike

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Posted September 30 2003 - 07:30 AM

How would one get the file to update the firmware? Is it on Liteon's website?

And, silly as this may seem, how would you rate the Liteon's performance compared to something like the Panasonic RP91? I'm talking with scaling turned on.

And on PAL material, I'm curious as to the squeeze problem. My knowledge of this particular problem is only that it exists. What is it exactly, and can it be cured? I'm going to be watching these on a 16x9 set, so will they still be anamorphic?

And I echo Dave's comments, are we sure that this player upconverts over component?


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Posted September 30 2003 - 09:35 AM

I ordered mine today-- thanks for the newegg idea.

It has to upconvert over component as it has no other HD-capable outputs (no DVI or firewire). Posted Image

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#14 of 680 Carlo Medina

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Posted September 30 2003 - 11:52 AM

Well y'all done and broke that review site! (bandwidth exceeded message)

So I'm curious about this product too, specifically if it is confirmed that:

1. It can indeed scale copy protected (commercial) DVDs. Going to the official LiteOn site says the following curious things:

a. supports 480p
b. scales 480i to 1080i

Now this is curious because pretty much most R1 commercial DVDs are 480p, no? Or can you have it choose to do either 480p or 480i per disc, and then the 480i option is then scalable??? Posted Image

2. Is the resulting picture superior to, say, a Panny RP91 (or other high-quality DVD player) which I own and currently view through component video on my 47" HDTV.

Many thanks!

#15 of 680 Marc Carra

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Posted October 01 2003 - 01:36 AM

The web site is confusing. whatever the format of a DVD (480p or 480i) , the player takes it and scales it to 1080i. You can do this with ANY dvd as long as you enter the macrovision disable code on the remote.

With 1080i scaling turned on, the picture quality surpasses that of the Panasonic RP91.

Firmware updates can be obtained right on the Liteon web site. They seem to provide updates quite often. I just downloaded one, and two days later there was a newer one.

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#16 of 680 Marc Carra

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Posted October 01 2003 - 02:16 AM

One annoying thing I noticed so far:

When playing back some of my DVDR movies, the player emits a slight high frequency 'chirping' sound which can be heard in a quiet room. I put a pillow in front of it, and it went away Posted Image

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#17 of 680 David_Rivshin

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Posted October 01 2003 - 03:19 AM

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The web site is confusing. whatever the format of a DVD (480p or 480i) , the player takes it and scales it to 1080i. You can do this with ANY dvd as long as you enter the macrovision disable code on the remote.
OK, I see the confusion: by default it only allows you to scale non-macrovisioned DVD's. However, if you disable it's macrovision support it will scale everything. Good news indeed.

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When playing back some of my DVDR movies, the player emits a slight high frequency 'chirping' sound which can be heard in a quiet room. I put a pillow in front of it, and it went away

This sounds like a consequence of using a standard computer DVD-ROM drive which will likely be spinning at different rates (or spinning down altogether) at times... I wonder if it's possible to replace that drive with a completely new one, perhaps something that has a reputation for being quiet?

I'd also be interested in knowing how it behaves on layer changes. I find my RP56 to be tolerable, but not particularly good. I would think with a DVD-ROM drive that they would be buffering enough of the movie to make the layer changes invisible, as some of the Denon players do.

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With 1080i scaling turned on, the picture quality surpasses that of the Panasonic RP91.

*drool* you're really making me want one... However LOTR EE's have taught me that having a 5 disk changer can be a good thing.... I wonder when Panasonic (or anyone else) will release a more standard variety DVD changer with 720p/1080i scaling over component built in... I'm just never satisfied Posted Image

#18 of 680 Carlo Medina

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Posted October 01 2003 - 04:22 AM

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With 1080i scaling turned on, the picture quality surpasses that of the Panasonic RP91.
Oooh! This was my primary concern, as the Bravo D1 (which is supposedly similar to this model) was apparently ***not*** good for scaling over component connections. People here and at AVS said to buy the D1 only if you planned to use the DVI output.

I am now much more interested in this player. Normally I might not spend the cash on a risk, but I just moved apartments and was going to buy a CD player for the bedroom. Maybe I'll buy this and if it surpasses the RP91 I'll move that to the BR as a CD/DVD player and keep this one in the living room.

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#19 of 680 Andrew Pratt

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Posted October 01 2003 - 04:33 AM

So do you always have to enter the macrovision defeat code on the remote if you want to scale 480P or is it a one time thing?

#20 of 680 Brajesh Upadhyay

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Posted October 01 2003 - 09:02 AM

I think you only disable Macrovision once, same with region-coding. This player is a Bravo clone, as is the MOMITSU & the Neuston Maestro DVX-1201.
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