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Leonard Maltin 4 stars for recent movies


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#1 of 48 OFFLINE   Joe Wong

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Posted September 28 2003 - 03:13 AM

Maltin is perceived to have an affiinity for older movies rather than more modern ones. The number of films he has awarded in the last 10 years (in his movie guide) or so seem to bear testament to this...the ones I know of are Schindler's List, Little Women, and Cider House Rules. Any others he has given 4 stars to? Thanks! Joe
 

 


#2 of 48 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted September 28 2003 - 04:52 AM

Talk to Her received four stars. Can't think of any others offhand.

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#3 of 48 OFFLINE   Daniel J.S.

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Posted September 28 2003 - 05:51 AM

You have to remember that Maltin has a team of editors working on his book; not every rating is neccesarily his. One thing that I like about his book is that the four star rating is rarely given out. They are very discriminating in their tastes. Roger Ebert, on the other hand, gives out four star ratings like they were going out of style and that hurts his credibility in my book. Also, Maltin's team is not afraid to slay some of the sacred cows (although I don't agree with his two star rating of "Taxi Driver", nor his two-and-a-half for "Minority Report" and "Gosford Park"). They realize that just because a movie is of the kind critics SHOULD like doesn't make it great.
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#4 of 48 OFFLINE   Anthony_D

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Posted September 28 2003 - 08:40 AM

anyone who rates "Waterworld" higher than "Usual Suspects" is a complete and utter moron...nuff said about Maltin.
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#5 of 48 OFFLINE   Daniel J.S.

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Posted September 28 2003 - 09:17 AM

No, he's not a moron. As I said, Maltin and his team aren't afraid to take on the sacred cows (incidentally, I haven't yet seen either of those films). Remember, no film is intrinsically good, so try to be more tolerant of people with different tastes than your own.
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#6 of 48 OFFLINE   Bill J

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Posted September 28 2003 - 09:18 AM

Ebert also liked Waterworld more than The Usual Suspects. Does that make him a moron?

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Posted September 28 2003 - 09:37 AM

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#8 of 48 OFFLINE   Daniel J.S.

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Posted September 28 2003 - 09:50 AM

^^^Now THERE was a woman who wasn't afraid to take on sacred cows!
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#9 of 48 OFFLINE   Vincent Matis

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Posted September 28 2003 - 09:53 AM

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#10 of 48 OFFLINE   Brian Lawrence

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Posted September 28 2003 - 10:00 AM

One problem I have with Maltin's film guide is that the short reviews do not have the contributors initials. In a book that has 15,000 films rated and numerous reviewers, it would help if we could at least know who was rating the film, I don't think that adding 2 or 3 letters to the end of each review is all that difficult.

#11 of 48 OFFLINE   Daniel J.S.

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Posted September 28 2003 - 11:35 AM

Vincent, you'd be surprised at how many bad reviews of "Blade Runner" are out there. It's a cult classic nowadays, but it's hardly universally loved.
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#12 of 48 OFFLINE   Julian Lalor

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Posted September 28 2003 - 11:39 AM

[quote] Vincent, you'd be surprised at how many bad reviews of "Blade Runner" are out there. It's a cult classic nowadays, but it's hardly universally loved. [quote]

Indeed. I still find the film unbearably boring (both theatrical and director's cuts). I find my views on films correlate more closely with Maltin's reviewers than with pretty much anyone else's (even if his 4 stars for Cider House Rules and Little Women were, in my opinion, dramatically over-rated).

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Posted September 28 2003 - 12:52 PM

FYI, although the book doesn't credit individual reviews (and I agree it should), the Taxi Driver review (which in my experience has gotten more heat than any other in the book) is indeed Maltin's.

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Posted September 30 2003 - 08:11 AM

Maltin is a fool and his show is wretched. Ebert is also bad at times (***1/2 for THE RUNDOWN, *** for GODFATHER 2!!??) Pauline Kael is as well...she gave the first STAR WARS a terrible review.

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Posted September 30 2003 - 08:21 AM

So I’m guessing that three stars you found too low for Godfather2? What was the problem with his view of The Rundown? You must have thought it a very bad movie, because IIRC Ebert really liked it.
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Posted September 30 2003 - 08:28 AM

I hate it when reviewers/critics do their job and review a film based on their tastes and experience. CONFORM! CONFORM! Why does this always come up? There should be no sacred cows. Judging a critic on one film, be it Star Wars, Scarface, or Snow Dogs is silly. Not that Maltin is a critic, but... Take care, Chuck
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Posted September 30 2003 - 08:48 AM

Okay, THE RUNDOWN is not a BAD film, but based on his rating system, he says its better than THE GODFATHER 2...that speaks volumes if you ask me. How many other people out there think that GODFATHER 2 deserves to be rated lower. Okay....let's look at another idiot critic FOR EXAMPLE: Rex Reed's Ten Worst Films of 2001 1. Vanilla Sky 2. Mulholland Drive 3. Town & Country 4. Moulin Rouge! 5. Shallow Hal 6. Swordfish 7. Pearl Harbor 8. Memento 9. The Mexican 10. Snatch 6-7 of those films IN NO WAY deserve to be on a worst list, C'MON!

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Posted September 30 2003 - 09:00 AM

Well Craig, I never look very closely at ½ point differences, especially as the reviews are so far apart. My only problem with Ebert is that he is such a big fan of films overall, that I think he is a bit too generous with his praises.

If it is worth anything (and it is not), I rate ‘Godfather2’ at a full four stars. But, that is not a rating on the day, it is a rating several years later. Normally if a critic is within one star of me, I think we are in accord. If not, (assuming it is a critic I respect) I might try to understand what he saw that I missed—sometimes I can never figure it out, and I don’t try real hard in most cases.

Rex Reed is not a critic whose value system matches mine—so I just ignore him.

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Posted September 30 2003 - 09:27 AM

Lew...you are right. Ebert has such an infectious love of cinema its hard to be TRULY overly critical of him. Buuuuut...you are also right...he is far too generous (ie) TOMB RAIDER 1 and 2 SPEED 1 and 2 COP AND A HALF WILD THINGS ANACONDA GIGLI FAST AND THE FURIOUS 1 and 2 POINT BREAK HOME ALONE 3 CRITTERS Gosh...I could go on forever!

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Posted September 30 2003 - 09:44 AM

That Rex Reed list is ridiculous. Three of those films (Mulholland Drive, Moulin Rouge, Memento) made it onto most people's BEST Ten list.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what was on his Top Ten for 2001??
Three truths about movies, as noted by Roger Ebert:

* It's not what a movie is about, it's how it is about it.
* No good movie is too long, and no bad movie is short enough.
* No good movie is depressing, all bad movies are depressing.




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