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#1 of 10 OFFLINE   Michael*K

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Posted September 16 2003 - 02:12 AM

FINALLY I can replace my aging PowerBook with a new one as the re-designed 15-inch models made they're long awaited debut in Paris today. And for those that haven't heard, Apple also released a Bluetooth wireless keyboard and mouse as well. Posted Image

#2 of 10 OFFLINE   Peter Kim

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Posted September 16 2003 - 05:09 AM

Having never owned a PowerBook before, just curious...isn't titanium better (lighter, stronger) than aluminum? If so, why has Apple redone their entire PowerBook line in aluminum?

I've long replaced my stock mouse with Logitech's MX700. I was perfectly happy with the stock mouse, but when I switched to the MX700, I was dumbfounded with how much better it can be - much faster and smoother action on the wireless MX than the wired stock plus the ability to map many functions to the MX.

Ergonomically, the MX is a joy to hold, where the stock was awkward in retrospect. Most importantly, the scroll wheel on the MX is indispensible - no more hunting and pecking at the GUI scroll bar. Usually, I find Apple's industrial design inimitable, but after switching to the MX, I learned that its mouse fall far short. I'd be surprised if Apple's bluetooth mouse can compare favorably to the Logitech.
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#3 of 10 OFFLINE   DonRoeber

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Posted September 16 2003 - 05:13 AM

The new powerbooks are nice. I'm tempted to get a new 12" model as soon as I have some spare cash (which may be in a few weeks, we'll see!). I ordered a bluetooth keyboard this morning to go along with my dual G5 system, when that arrives. I'll be using a Microsoft bluetooth mouse with the system as well. Ahh, no wires (except for ethernet, firewire, power and video, of course Posted Image )

Peter, the aluminum powerbooks are really nice. I don't think there is a huge difference between the metals when you're making laptops out of them.
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#4 of 10 OFFLINE   Peter Kim

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Posted September 16 2003 - 05:19 AM

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I don't think there is a huge difference between the metals when you're making laptops out of them.


You're probably right, Don. But given the amount of portability/mobility, I still wonder why they didn't stick with the greater strength-to-mass titanium instead of switching to al.

I clicked over to the Apple site and peeked at the new mouse/keyboard. The keyboard looks intriguing, but the new mouse is sad. While the implementation of Bluetooth is nice, the features are nil. Plus they've kept the same design - while this can be a plus for left-handed users, at the same time it's a compromise. And at $69, it's overpriced.

I just don't understand why Apple doesn't incorporate a scroll wheel? Am I the only one that feels it is vital to efficient and effective navigation?
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#5 of 10 OFFLINE   Anthony Hom

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Posted September 16 2003 - 08:56 AM

Most likely, they will not incorporate a scroll wheel because it's a mechanical device and they would want to make a scroll with no moving parts. Does the Kensington have a track pad scroll? If Apple were to put a scroll on a mouse, it would have to be like that. Kind of like the scroll wheel on the new iPods, but smaller.

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Posted September 16 2003 - 11:33 AM

I think at $69 neither is a bad deal. Consider I paid $130 for an oversized MS bluetooth mouse kit just this past May because it would work with the built-in bluetooth of my PB. None of the additional button of course worked (no "bluetooth-overdrive" prog avail and no MS driver). Plus it is too big to travel with.

Although I use a trackball for my main comps, the current "entire mouse is the button" optical mouse is really an ease on wrist after a few days of long hours.

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I just don't understand why Apple doesn't incorporate a scroll wheel? Am I the only one that feels it is vital to efficient and effective navigation?
Yes. Posted Image
Anything on the horizon as alternatives to the scroll wheel? I don't really care for them or the placement of them.

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he new powerbooks are nice. I'm tempted to get a new 12" model as soon as I have some spare cash (which may be in a few weeks, we'll see!).
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Posted September 16 2003 - 12:02 PM

Just what I've been waiting for with the PowerBooks.... Bluetooth and a lower price. Posted Image

Quoth the Peter Kim:
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I've long replaced my stock mouse with Logitech's MX700. I was perfectly happy with the stock mouse, but when I switched to the MX700, I was dumbfounded with how much better it can be - much faster and smoother action on the wireless MX than the wired stock plus the ability to map many functions to the MX.

Ergonomically, the MX is a joy to hold, where the stock was awkward in retrospect. Most importantly, the scroll wheel on the MX is indispensible - no more hunting and pecking at the GUI scroll bar. Usually, I find Apple's industrial design inimitable, but after switching to the MX, I learned that its mouse fall far short. I'd be surprised if Apple's bluetooth mouse can compare favorably to the Logitech.

I have the MX 500 (identical to the 700 except the 500 has a cord), and I LOVE IT. It replaced the now-retired origal IntelliMouse Explorer I had (IMHO, the new design sucks), and I think the 500 is a marked improvement. Now I know my mediocrity in CS is the result of my poor abilities and not my mouse. Highly recommended for anyone who's tired of cleaning out their old non-optical mouse or unhappy with Microsoft's designs.
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#8 of 10 OFFLINE   Keith Plucker

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Posted September 16 2003 - 02:08 PM

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Go for the 15. DVI, FW800, Better Graphics, Gigabit Ethernet, PC Card and Cache.

The new PowerBooks do away with the L3 cache on all models. However, they all now have twice the L2 cache (512K). It will be interesting to see some benchmarks and see how this affects performance. I have a feeling it will be a mixed bag. On the bright side, there is now a BTO for a 80GB 5400 RPM HD on the 15 & 17.

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#9 of 10 OFFLINE   DonRoeber

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Posted September 17 2003 - 03:27 AM

Joseph, I'd be puchasing the 12" for the size. I have a second revision G4 Titanium Powerbook, and while it's a great laptop, it's a bit too big for me to use comfortably on my daily commute (I take the train to work, I don't drive Posted Image ).

Keith, you can also BTO that hard drive in the 12" model as well. I miss the days when installing a hard drive was a consumer viable option. Too many screws nowadays. (whoops, it's actually a 4800 RPM 80gb drive. Still, it's big)
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#10 of 10 OFFLINE   Patrick Larkin

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Posted September 17 2003 - 03:58 AM

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I miss the days when installing a hard drive was a consumer viable option.


We have our own Mac techs and taking those Powerbooks apart is pretty tedious and not to be trifled with. That's one of the things your give up for the thinness and feature rich powerbooks. To add the Airport card in the TiBook you had to take all those screws out of the bottom, take the think piece of titanium off. Getting it back on is a challenge since the Ti is so flexible and easily bendable...

On a side note, IBM brought some Thinkpads in to assess and they were some of the most obscenely large, bulky, and cumbersome things I have ever seen. But I bet you its easy to put a hard drive in! Posted Image


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