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Neato cool idea on how to get a fullframe, 4:3 matted, and 16:9 image on ONE disc!


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#1 of 11 OFFLINE   Patrick McCart

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Posted August 19 2001 - 07:13 AM

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What do you think, sirs?

BTW, Help! is NOT a 1.78:1 film! It's actually 1.55:1, but this is only for example purposes.

Basically, the top and bottom of the image that should be replaced by black space is like a subtitle.

So...you get a fullframe transfer, a matted 4:3 picture, and a 16x9 transfer out of ONE signal!!!

Talk about the space that could be saved on a disc...

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#2 of 11 OFFLINE   Jon Robertson

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Posted August 19 2001 - 07:22 AM

I can't see anything - it just says Not Available For Download. Posted Image

#3 of 11 OFFLINE   Matt DeVillier

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Posted August 19 2001 - 07:39 AM

Patrick,

that's not possible. when a 1.85:1 AR movie is anamorphically enhanced, all (well 98%) of the 480 scanlines are used. there would be no room to store the top and bottom (the open matte part).

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#4 of 11 OFFLINE   Adam Lenhardt

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Posted August 19 2001 - 07:40 AM

Interesting idea, along the lines of the Ghostbusters commentary track. It wouldn't work however. Between Pan & Scan (and even open matte) there are minor or major differences in it's presentation which would offset the picture at the top and the bottom. This might be an idea for Super 35 films without effects shots, however.

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#5 of 11 OFFLINE   Patrick McCart

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Posted August 19 2001 - 08:00 AM

The middle part of the image is the actual 16x9 image.

The top and bottom are "subtitle" additions which can be switched from image to matte.

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#6 of 11 OFFLINE   Jeff Kleist

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Posted August 19 2001 - 08:18 AM

This was done by Sharpline Arts on one of the Re-Animator titles. There are NO prints or negatives left, only a full-frame transfer. So they put a matte on a subtitle track

However, as was said, if it's anamorphic it doesn't work

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#7 of 11 OFFLINE   Kenny Goldin

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Posted August 19 2001 - 10:26 AM

How about this idea: studios can sell P&S and LBX titles seperately. The easiest way to identify them would be to put the LBX versions in keepcases or snappers, and all P&S discs in jewel cases.

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Posted August 19 2001 - 11:29 AM

What I actually don't understand about Warner's new policy is why they don't use Pan & Scan vectors on their discs instead of pure Pan & Scan editions?

This technology that enables the player to display a Pan & Scan version in realtime is used even by a smaller local studio here in Germany on all their releases and gives the choice of using a widescreen and Pan & Scan version of a movie on a single disc.

Does Warner not have any clue about this?


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Posted August 19 2001 - 11:44 AM

I can't see the picture to which you linked, but based on what you're saying, it simply can't be done.

You can use this method to get a full-frame and letterboxed image on the disc (as mentioned above, it's been done before), but you still won't get the added resolution of a 16:9 transfer.
 

 


#10 of 11 OFFLINE   Jeff Kleist

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Posted August 19 2001 - 02:13 PM

Karsten-

That technique only works with anamorphic transfers of 1.85:1 movies. With scope films, you still get "black bars"



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Posted August 19 2001 - 03:30 PM

Quote:
This was done by Sharpline Arts on one of the Re-Animator titles. There are NO prints or negatives left, only a full-frame transfer. So they put a matte on a subtitle track


It was on Bride of Re-Animator and it was crap. You could still see through the "letterboxing".

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