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Something to compete with the Tumult.........


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#1 of 31 Chris Carswell

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Posted August 26 2003 - 06:12 PM

Play with these #'s & LMK what you guys think. ( Posted Image or Posted Image )
Similar results to the Tumult in both a sealed (2.0ft^3) & vented/PR'ed (3.75ft^3 20hz), for about 30% less $$$

***XXX-15*** (read: new-15)

• F/s: 19hz

• Qms: 5.50

• Vas: 110L

• Mms: 343g

• Xmag: 38mm

• Xmax: 32mm

• Sd: 749cm2

• Vd: 5L

• Qes: 0.40

• Z(nominal): 3 Ohm DVC

• Prms: 1500 watts per coil

• Pmax: 4000 watts peak

• Qts: 0.48

• Bl: 25.5Tm

• SPL: 87.3Db @ 2.83V

• Diameter: 15.5"

• Mounting Diameter: 14"

• Depth: 9.5"

• Mounting Depth: 8.28"

• Magnet Diameter: 7.5"

• Weight: 54lbs
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#2 of 31 Eric Eash

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Posted August 26 2003 - 06:26 PM

i'm liking the 30% less idea!
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#3 of 31 David Giesbrecht

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Posted August 26 2003 - 07:04 PM

With QTS of 0.48 and an FS of 19hz, that will play very deep. Looks tastyPosted Image

#4 of 31 Seth_L

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Posted August 27 2003 - 02:17 AM

Made by the same company too. Go figure...

#5 of 31 Brian Bunge

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Posted August 27 2003 - 02:55 AM

Manufactured by the same build house, yes. Every company has the right to charge whatever they see fit. If people are buying the driver at a certain price point there's no need to change it.

Even at $500 the Tumult is still one helluva deal. Much better than the $1K car audio drivers that a lot of kids are buying through retail chains.
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#6 of 31 AllanRW

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Posted August 27 2003 - 02:58 AM

I agree with Brian.
A similar Driver sold out the door at A&B Sound (large retailer in Canada)
for $1599.99 is a joke when you compare the Tumult to it.

So again for the price the Mult is a keeper.

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#7 of 31 Greg Monfort

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Posted August 27 2003 - 06:24 AM

These numbers don't add up. Mms is way too low for 19Hz at this Sd/Vas, BL is way too high for any of them, Qts can never be >Qes, safe Pmax is 2x Prms, so is a bit optimistic IMO.

So what is its real specs, or is this an unrealistic wishful 'what if' design?

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#8 of 31 Brian-K-Owens

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Posted August 27 2003 - 06:51 AM

Is this a prototype driver? I see ***XXX-15***

RE posted specs for the XXX 15 as:

• F/s: 28hz

• Qms: 4.68

• Vas: 123.3L

• Xmag: 34mm

• Xmax: 34mm

• Sd: 810cm2

• Qes: 0.49

• Z(nominal): 2 Ohm DVC

• Prms: 1600 watts total

• Pmax: 2500 watts peak

• Qts: 0.49

• Bl: 17.1Tm

• SPL: 88.7Db @ 2.83V



Just curious if you got the specs mixed up for the XXX 15, or if there is a new driver coming out??

I own both the XXX and the Tumult. both great drivers. . .look exactly the same form the bottom side!!

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#9 of 31 Mark gas

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Posted August 27 2003 - 08:10 AM

Allan are you talking about the W7?

#10 of 31 Chris Carswell

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Posted August 27 2003 - 08:17 AM

"Much better than the $1K car audio drivers that a lot of kids are buying through retail chains."
Yah, no kidding Brian. That crap is soooo over priced! Getting ready for ATL?

"So what is its real specs, or is this an unrealistic wishful 'what if' design?"
Greg, your a tough one to get things by Posted Image You got the idea right. A "what if" but on pre-order. Who knows what the exact specs will be until done. BTW, will you be in ATL again this year?

"Just curious if you got the specs mixed up for the XXX 15, or if there is a new driver coming out??"
Yes Mr. Owens, a new driver in the mix................. Posted Image
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#11 of 31 AllanRW

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Posted August 27 2003 - 08:39 AM

W7 what is that?

#12 of 31 Scott Simonian

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Posted August 27 2003 - 08:42 AM

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W7 what is that?


Waste of money, to the power of 7!

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#13 of 31 Brian Bunge

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Posted August 27 2003 - 08:46 AM

Chris,

Yeah, I'm getting ready. I'll be bringing my pseudo-line arrays with me.

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#14 of 31 Frank Carter

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Posted August 27 2003 - 09:38 AM

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W7 what is that?
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Waste of money, to the power of 7!

You couldn't be more right onPosted Image

#15 of 31 Mark gas

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Posted August 27 2003 - 10:43 AM

JL w7

A USA 2000x would be a perfect match for the W& and can be had for $675 new or you could get a MTX 81000D for $300 used.

#16 of 31 DanWiggins

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Posted August 27 2003 - 10:58 AM

Brian/Greg,

You are both correct; those are not the correct numbers for a XXX; the correct numbers can be seen at:

http://www.bladeice.com/subre.htm

The XXX has a much higher Fs, much tighter suspension (lower Vas), and comes in quad 1.2 Ohm voice coils, standard (dual configurations are available as well). It shares the same steel as the Tumult, but other than that the suspensions and voice coils (even the gauge and type of material) are different.

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#17 of 31 Chris Carswell

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Posted August 27 2003 - 11:28 AM

Brian,
Those look sweet Posted Image Those suckers use a bit more veneer though don't they Posted Image

Brian-K-Owens, Dan Wiggens, who ever else:
Sorry I confused you all with the XXX part. I forgot there was already a XXX15 in existence. I should have known you blood hounds would have sniffed that out. AGAIN, these are specs for a NEW, pre-order driver. Now lets see if one of you Sherlocks can find out which one it is........ Posted Image
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#18 of 31 Jack Gilvey

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Posted August 27 2003 - 12:01 PM

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You got the idea right. A "what if" but on pre-order. Who knows what the exact specs will be until done.

Sounds like Greg is saying the driver as listed can't exist. Where is it on pre-order?
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#19 of 31 DanWiggins

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Posted August 27 2003 - 01:17 PM

Chris,

As Greg Monfort states, and as Jack Gilvey confirms, the parameters as listed cannot exist. Something's wrong with the specs as listed. Best to ask your source to confirm the numbers first, because something is amiss.

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#20 of 31 Chris Tsutsui

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Posted August 28 2003 - 06:50 AM

I don't like playing with numbers that can't exist. Enough with the teasers, can't we just get to the spoilers. Posted Image





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