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#1 of 142 OFFLINE   John Kotches

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Posted August 04 2003 - 02:34 AM

Quoted below is the entire text of Universal Music's Press Release this morning about their intended DVD-Audio releases.

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Aug 4, 2003 08:00 ET

Universal Music Group Releasing DVD-Audio Titles Beginning September 2003

Upcoming DVD-Audio Release Schedule Features World-Renowned Universal Artists Including Andrea Bocelli, Diana Krall, Sheryl Crow, and Sting, Among Others

SANTA MONICA, Calif., Aug. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Universal Music Group (UMG), the world's leading music company, today announced its first DVD-Audio titles to be released in the United States beginning on September 23, 2003. UMG plans an ongoing DVD-Audio release program that will offer best-selling artists and core catalog titles to major markets worldwide.


"UMG continues to offer music fans a wide variety of formats in which to enjoy our music. DVD-Audio gives consumers a quality sonic experience, while also offering bonus enhanced content," said Larry Kenswil, President, eLabs, Universal Music Group. "The popularity of the DVD format makes DVD-Audio a natural choice for consumers who wish to experience the world of multi-channel surround sound."


UMG titles slated for release on DVD-Audio include:

* Aaron Neville - Nature Boy: The Standards Album
* Andrea Bocelli - Verdi: Arias
* Anne-Sophie Mutter - Vivaldi: Four Seasons
* Beck - Sea Change
* Cecilia Bartoli - The Vivaldi Album
* Christian Thielemann - Orff: Carmina Burana
* Claudio Abbado - Beethoven Symphonies 1, 2 (among others)
* Dave Grusin - Two For The Road
* David Sanborn - timeagain
* Diana Krall - Love Scenes, When I Look In Your Eyes, The Look Of Love
* Peter Frampton - Frampton Comes Alive!
* Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
* George Strait - Honkytonkville
* John Hiatt - Bring the Family
* Marvin Gaye - Collection
* Ryan Adams - Gold
* Shania Twain - Up!
* Sheryl Crow - The Globe Sessions
* Steely Dan - Gaucho
* Sting - Brand New Day
* The Who - Tommy
* 3 Doors Down - Away from the Sun
* Vince Gill - High Lonesome Sound
* Valery Gergiev - Tchaikovsky: 6th Symphony


All of UMG's releases have been remixed and remastered from the original multi-track masters, taking advantage of the superior Advanced Resolution surround and stereo sound quality available with DVD-Audio. Typically UMG's DVD-Audio discs will include bonus content including photos, biographies, lyrics, discographies and videos. UMG DVD-Audio discs will also play on existing DVD-Video players using Dolby Digital™ surround sound. To learn more about DVD-Audio and UMG releases, visit www.umusic.com/dvda.


About Universal Music Group


Universal Music Group is the world's leading music company with wholly- owned record operations or licensees in 71 countries. Its businesses also include Universal Music Publishing Group, one of the industry's largest global music publishing operations.


Universal Music Group consists of record labels Decca Record Company, Deutsche Grammophon, Interscope Geffen A&M Records, Island Def Jam Music Group, Lost Highway Records, MCA Nashville, Mercury Records, Motown Records, Philips, Polydor, Universal Music Latino, Universal Records, and Verve Music Group as well as a multitude of record labels owned or distributed by its record company subsidiaries around the world. The Universal Music Group owns the most extensive catalog of music in the industry, which is marketed through two distinct divisions, Universal Music Enterprises (in the U.S.) and Strategic Marketing & Commercial Affairs (outside the U.S.). Universal Music Group also includes eLabs, a new media and technologies division.


Universal Music Group is a unit of Vivendi Universal, a global media and communications company.


Contacts: Kelly Mullens
(212) 331-2569

Bob Bernstein
(310) 865-0589

Source: Universal Music Group

CONTACT: Kelly Mullens, +1-212-331-2569, or Bob Bernstein,
+1-310-865-0589, both of Universal Music Group


Web site: http://www.umusic.com/dvda




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#2 of 142 OFFLINE   John Kotches

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Posted August 04 2003 - 02:36 AM

Interestingly enough, I do notice some title duplication between SACD and DVD-A releases...

Anyone else want to chime in on the duplication?

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#3 of 142 OFFLINE   Shawn C

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Posted August 04 2003 - 03:14 AM

Yeah, I noticed that too. Now we can argue over which titles sound better on what format!

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Posted August 04 2003 - 03:49 AM

Shawn,

It really depends, since there is the theoretical opportunity to make changes between formats Posted Image

For titles that were done in 24/96K, like SDs Gaucho the comparison would be pointless IMO, since the DSD stream was derived from the PCM.

If any of these were mixed via analog to multi-channel, there is a better chance of a head to head comparison.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 04:34 AM

OK here's my titles:

ELTON JOHN- GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD
STEELY DAN- GAUCHO
MARVIN GAYE- COLLECTION
DAVID SANBORN-TIMEAGAIN

if the price is right i'm gonna have some fun this September!!

#6 of 142 OFFLINE   LarryDavenport

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Posted August 04 2003 - 04:59 AM

The Who's Tommy looks exciting, especially if they do a 5.1 mix. I already have Sea Change on SACD and will probably get the SACD of Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, especially if it's a hybrid.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 05:28 AM

Wow, this is incredible news. Huge news for DVD-A.

This will fuel the comparison debate, but regardless of how the recordings were produced, there will be no resolution as to which is more accurate. To do that, you have to do individual blind comparisons to the original master. Individuals can certainly judge preference, but that does not necessarily correlate to accuracy. Preference is more subjective, accuracy much less so (especially with controlled testing).

I'm just happy to see more releases. Very exciting!

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Posted August 04 2003 - 05:30 AM

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The Who's Tommy looks exciting, especially if they do a 5.1 mix.
Tommy will indeed be a 5.1 remix. This came straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak) a few months ago. Pete Townshend's Web site had a diary entry of March 27 in which the composer of Tommy talked about how much he enjoyed DVD-Audio and its possibilities. In the diary entry, Townshend let it slip that he (yes, "he") was working on a 5.1 remix of Tommy. Curiously, the entry was deleted a short time later and has never reappeared.

Looks like Pete let the cat out of the bag sooner than the higher ups would have liked, but the fact remains that he did state that Tommy would see the light of day in a new 5.1 mix. Yeah!

#9 of 142 OFFLINE   Michael St. Clair

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Posted August 04 2003 - 05:31 AM

Maybe Townshend should have hired somebody who can still hear to do the remix.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 05:45 AM

I'm very interested in seeing whether or not Universal will actually include supplemental materials (i.e., videos, etc.) on the DVD-A editions of titles that will see a dual release on SACD.

It seems strange that a company would one-up their own titles. Perhaps they view the different formats as entirely separate entities, but for those of us with universal players, the release of the same title on DVD-A with supplemental materials has a clear edge over an audio-only SACD edition.

Not surprisingly, the first batch of Universal's DVD-A titles don't have SACD counterparts, so it's impossible to tell what their policy will be. But with discs like Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and others set for release on both SACD and DVD-A, the question will have to be answered soon. Looks like I'll be cancelling that pre-order of Gaucho on SACD and simply "wait and see" what the DVD-A edition will be like.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 05:50 AM

Alan,

?????

Two of the 3 Diana Krall titles, When I Look in Your Eyes and The Look of Love are also available on SACD.

Beck's Sea Change is on SACD and I believe the Bocelli's Verdi: Arias is also on SACD.

There are other "dual release" titles slated, that haven't hit market yet.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 05:52 AM

Michael St. Clair said:
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Maybe Townshend should have hired somebody who can still hear to do the remix.

Man that's cold, especially since you haven't heard the results Posted Image

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Posted August 04 2003 - 05:57 AM

I don't think I'd be interested in getting titles I already have on SACD, like the Krall. Sure, it would be nice to have both, but I'd rather spend that money on other high-res titles.

The only two on that list that are of interest to me personally are Tommy and Marvin Gaye, both music that I've only recently gotten into (I know, shame on me!).

The number and prestige of some of these titles are exciting. I just don't get why they picked so many titles that are also on SACD.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 06:06 AM

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It seems strange that a company would one-up their own titles. Perhaps they view the different formats as entirely separate entities, but for those of us with universal players, the release of the same title on DVD-A with supplemental materials has a clear edge over an audio-only SACD edition.


I'll buy DVD-A every time given the choice. I have friends with 'regular' home theater setups and we have small get togethers for listening to music and watching movies. The fact that these are DVD-A will at least allow us to listen to the surround mixes no matter what house we are at.

Another friend of mine has a Yukon with DVD-V capability, and we take short roadtrips sometimes. It would be very nice to be able to listen to surround music in his vehicle, and we'll be able to (in DD5.1).

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It seems strange that a company would one-up their own titles.


Perhaps they are doing this as an experiment to see which sells better. Testing both waters, one might say...and the best way to do that is with the same titles, not different ones.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 06:33 AM

It seems like a blown opportunity to release the same titles on DVDA. Why not release more new titles on DVDA? There appears to be a lot of duplication...maybe Universal is setting up a horse race. But in that case, I would wonder if the comparison would be slanted in favor of the earlier SACDs?

Duplication is substantial here:

Sting
Gergiev pieces
Shania Twain
Diana Krall
Peter Frampton
Steely Dan
John Hiatt
Beck
Anne Sophie Mutter
Cecilia Bartoli
Ryan Adams

All of these have SACDs...curious...

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To do that, you have to do individual blind comparisons to the original master.


Actually, Chesky and Telarc would tell you the best test they have already conducted: comparing DSD and PCM conversions of live mic feeds. Most prefer DSD, all else being equal.
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Posted August 04 2003 - 06:44 AM

With all that extra space on DVD-A maybe we can get some outtakes or such on The Who's Tommy that they couldn't fit when they did the last remaster. My nomination for the next 5.1 Who would be The Who Sell Out.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 06:46 AM

Frankly, the engineers at Chesky and Telarc don't have more credibility to me than the man in the street, especially when 'testing' in the fashion you describe. I've never seen an engineer conduct a true, controlled, double blind A/B/X test. I've known engineers to be succeptible to placebo effect and bias. I've knew an engineer who used green markers on his CDs. No thanks.

Here is your valid test. You get a very large group of critical listeners. You randomly split it in half. The first half tests DSD to an original source, in A/B/X fashion. The second half tests PCM to an original source, in A/B/X fashion. Ideally, you repeat with more groups. You never compare PCM to DSD.

You publish the results.

Whichever format fooled the most people into thinking that it was the original master (or could not tell apart) is the one that is the most accurate/neutral/transparent.

When you have knowledge of such a test, please let us know. Constantly parroting these little anecdotal 'test' stories here gives zero credence or meaning as to which format is truly the most accurate, neutral, or transparent of the two formats.

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Posted August 04 2003 - 06:48 AM

http://consumers.umu...acd/future.html

Add David Sanborn and The Who to the duplicate titles list. Posted Image
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Posted August 04 2003 - 06:54 AM

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I've never seen an engineer conduct a true, controlled, double blind A/B/X test.


Frankly Mike, that's likely due to never being in an audiophile recording environment. That does not mean their tests were not valid in any way.

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Constantly parroting these little anecdotal 'test' stories here gives zero credence or meaning as to which format is truly the most accurate, neutral, or transparent of the two formats.


Well I think it adds value to the Forum to relay what we engineers see in the field. If you think our results and invalid and want to devalue them for your own personal consideration then go ahead, but others here may be interested in the data.

The fact that twice as many audiophile labels have chosen SACD instead of DVDA does speak volumes about grass roots support for the DSD process, however.

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You never compare PCM to DSD.


There are statistically valid ways to conduct 3 way tests, by including rankings and other methods. Most of what I have heard has been DSD versus live and 24/96 versus live. It is uncanny how the transients of sharp cymbal attacks sound in DSD relative to live. I also like hirez PCM but only at 192K does it approach that of DSD.

Hey, I'm just contributing my opinions here. You can decide whether they are valuable or not.
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#20 of 142 OFFLINE   Michael St. Clair

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Posted August 04 2003 - 07:11 AM

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Frankly Mike, that's likely due to never being in an audiophile recording environment. That does not mean their tests were not valid in any way.

Ah, but there's the rub. Virtually everyone believes that they are immune from placebo effect, and things like gear and environment can be used as justification for such belief, but that doesn't make it true.

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There are statistically valid ways to conduct 3 way tests, by including rankings and other methods. Most of what I have heard has been DSD versus live and 24/96 versus live. It is uncanny how the transients of sharp cymbal attacks sound in DSD relative to live. I also like hirez PCM but only at 192K does it approach that of DSD.

By all means, if such a test is done, is fully blind from the perspective that neither the listener or anybody else within the contraints of the test knows what is being listened to, and is published, please share it here. It would go a lot way to answering some long-asked questions and reducing reliance on anecdote.

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Hey, I'm just contributing my opinions here. You can decide whether they are valuable or not.


I appreciate your opinions here very much. It's the repetition I could do without. Posted Image


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