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***Official LOTR: The Two Towers DVD Discussion Thread*** -- All Posts Here; NO EXCEPTIONS


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#641 of 650 OFFLINE   KimK

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Posted November 08 2003 - 10:00 PM

I got my Gift Box friday and I'm absolutely loving every bit of it. The new cut of the movie greatly improves upon the theatrical cut in my opinion. There is more humor in it and the characters are a little more fleshed out. The Gollum statue is very nice, but I don't think you will be able to get it out of the box without tearing the thing apart. I wasn't anyway...Posted Image

#642 of 650 OFFLINE   Dan Brecher

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Posted November 08 2003 - 10:58 PM

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The picture quality is slightly improved over the theatrical version. Compression is cleaner, with less loss of fine detail. The picture still appears to lack the extreme detail of some other new releases (such as The Matrix Reloaded), which implies that slight filtering has been applied to reduce the need for higher bitrates.


Having done a number of in depth inspections on both versions now, I absolutely agree with your statement here, Simon. I can't say it came as anything of a surprise given both Fellowsip of the Ring DVD releases suffered from the same issue of filtering. I took the liberty of doing 720x480 uncompressed shots of the exact same frame from both releases. I can't post them here as they are too large and I don't have space to host them. I really I don't think I could bring myself to deem the extended any kind of "significant" imrpovement.

A shame about the filtering issue again since disc one only holds just under one hour and fifty minutes worth of film content, and disc two about two hours and ten minutes worth including the fan credits. It's probably safe to say the PAL extended Two Towers wont carry the filtering since neither PAL Fellowship DVD did.

Also, the aspect ratios differ slightly. The extended edition framing is opened up ever so slightly.

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#643 of 650 OFFLINE   oscar_merkx

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Posted November 09 2003 - 07:51 AM

mine will arrive in a couple of days

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#644 of 650 OFFLINE   Jack_TN

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Posted November 09 2003 - 09:18 AM

Is there only the 4 disc version of the extended edition? The listing at Bestbuy.com doesn't label it Platinum Edition and the title of the webpage says 2 pieces. I wondered if they just recycled the title from the earlier release and didn't noticed the error.

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#645 of 650 OFFLINE   RobertW

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Posted November 09 2003 - 03:28 PM

a couple of questions:

dan, do you think the gollum statue and bonus disc make the gift set worth buying? cause i'm not really sure i want the statue, although if the disc and booklet are top notch, i'd have to go for them.

any confirmation about the lack of a moviecash ticket for ROTK? and there definitely is a rebate coupon? that would help to offset the gift set price.

in the scenes with treebeard, one of the things that bothered me in the theatrical cut were the scenes where they were shown in closeup moving against the background, and the blue screen effects were just a bit too obvious to me. have they done any work to make these scenes blend better?

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Posted November 09 2003 - 07:10 PM

Dan,

How do you know that the PAL DVD is unfiltered, or for that matter, that the NTSC DVD is filtered.

Just curious. I was always under the impression that PAL DVDs are mastered from the same source material as the NTSC ones.

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Posted November 09 2003 - 07:21 PM

What does filtering do? Btw, I noticed that FOTR wad a bit redish.

#648 of 650 OFFLINE   Mikah Woodward

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Posted November 09 2003 - 07:29 PM

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Is there only the 4 disc version of the extended edition?

There are two versions of the extended edition. Well, three if you include the VHS.

Anyway, there's the 4 disc version going for about $25. Also, there's the "gift set" or whatever that incudes the 4 disc version, a gollum statue, and an extra DVD and booklet which I believe go into the making of the gollum statue. The gift set goes for around $60.

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#649 of 650 OFFLINE   Dan Brecher

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Posted November 09 2003 - 09:16 PM

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dan, do you think the gollum statue and bonus disc make the gift set worth buying? cause i'm not really sure i want the statue, although if the disc and booklet are top notch, i'd have to go for them.

Yes I think on the whole, everything in the gift set makes it a must have for the collector really. Smeagol looks great on the shelf, I'm really pleased with him.


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any confirmation about the lack of a moviecash ticket for ROTK? and there definitely is a rebate coupon? that would help to offset the gift set price.

I bought two gift sets, one for me, one for a friend, and no there is no free ticket for Return of the King. There IS a $10 rebate on the gift set if you own the theatrical edition release however.


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in the scenes with treebeard, one of the things that bothered me in the theatrical cut were the scenes where they were shown in closeup moving against the background, and the blue screen effects were just a bit too obvious to me. have they done any work to make these scenes blend better?

No, there are no visible changes to any of the existing effects shots (although in the Osgiliath wide shots you can now see Minas Tirith in the distance, which was removed form the theatrical version due to the studio thinking it was Helms Deep). The actual new Treebeard scenes are finished off very nicely.



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How do you know that the PAL DVD is unfiltered, or for that matter, that the NTSC DVD is filtered.


It's difficult to get a lock on whether filtering is even the correct term, but there are a few interesting things visible if one compares any of the PAL lord of the rings releases to their NTSC cousins, the most notable being that the NTSC ones have played host to less horizontal AND vertical resolution, and if you know your NTSC vs PAL differences you'd note something is not right there. Something has been applied to all the domestic NTSC releases, or just a repeated error in mastering has been made again and again, that is hiding the very finest details in the vertical field.

I'll leave the main comparisons to Bjoern Roy who I've discussed this with a lot over the last eighteen months since the first Fellowship DVD came out. I may even be confusing terms as I dare not even pretend to know about half the stuff he's looked into regarding these releases. He's gone into this in far more depth than I am able to. A lot of it can be traced in doing comparisons to the academy RSDL screeners of both Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers, but of course for legal reasons one can't really take shots from this and put them on public display.

I've never found the minor differences to be overly bothersome I must admit, not as bothersome as Bjoern does that's for sure, but then his display is so much more demanding than mine (and indeed most). I remain personaly very, VERY, pleased with all of the NTSC presentations and there is no reason for the majority not to be either, but still the thought remains in the back of my head they probably could have still all look a wee bit better.


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Just curious. I was always under the impression that PAL DVDs are mastered from the same source material as the NTSC ones.


This is where I think many make a lot of confusion in talking about transfers and what have you, since the transfer and mastering are generally two different things. The transfer will come from an HD source, and yes, I am sure both the PAL and NTSC releases stem from the same HD master, only one is downconverted for PAL, the other NTSC at which point we get into mastering which is when all sorts of tweaks and applications to the image can be added.

This is not to say some image applications are never applied to the HD source itself, but usually such things crop up during the mastering process. So, it's really in the mastering, and not the transfer that something like "edge enhancement" or whatever term one wishes to give that issues, comes into play...etc.

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#650 of 650 OFFLINE   Michael Qualen

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Posted November 09 2003 - 10:55 PM

It IS possible to get Gollum out without destroying the case, but it takes time and patience ! I just got my set, and I think it took me about 15 minutes to scratch the h*** out of the "foam" around the Gollum figurine...but I got it out eventually, and my box is still intact


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