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#1 of 17 OFFLINE   todd stone

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Posted June 22 2003 - 05:22 PM

With a mess called "planet of the apes" and the possibility of Remaking Willy Wonka, where has the creativity of Tim Burton gone??


With such classics as Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood etc why does this man feel the need to only do remakes nowadays??
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#2 of 17 OFFLINE   Max Leung

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Posted June 22 2003 - 05:50 PM

His creativity must be done by committee now. Or maybe he needs a new muse. Who knows?

I'm betting it's because of pressure from the studio(s) he works with though.

(George Lucas, on the other hand, has no such excuse...)
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#3 of 17 OFFLINE   Matt<>Broon

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Posted June 22 2003 - 08:26 PM

Maybe there's some truth to Fellini's belief that directors only have 10 years of creative work inside them and after that they repeat their work or borrow from elsewhere. Posted Image

I agree that it's a shame though, nothing since Sleepy Hollow has been 'Burton' if you will.
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#4 of 17 OFFLINE   Joshua_Y

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Posted June 22 2003 - 10:36 PM

In a word...yes...he has lost his creativity if you ask me...now I actually liked POTA...but frankly anyone could have directed that movie and it would have looked the same...Sleepy Hollow is another story...but I wish he would make something of his own...

#5 of 17 OFFLINE   Mark Palermo

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Posted June 22 2003 - 11:33 PM

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Nothing since Sleepy Hollow has been 'Burton'

His only movie since then has been PotA.

As for the comment on his waning creativity, most of Burton movies have been based upon preexisting material: The Batman comics, the Pee-Wee character, Frankenstein (in Frankenweenie and Edward Scissorhands), the Mars Attacks! trading cards. I do feel that he peaked in the mid-90s with the double shot of Ed Wood and Mars Attacks!, but his only real misstep for me has been Planet of the Apes. Plus, he's got Big Fish out this Christmas, which sounds promising.

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#6 of 17 OFFLINE   JonZ

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Posted June 23 2003 - 12:49 AM

I always felt Burton had good ideas but made them into lousy movies.

Pee Wees Big Adventure Posted Image Posted Image 3/4
Beetlejuice Posted Image 1/2
Batman Posted Image 1/2
Edward Scissorhands Posted Image
Batman Returns Posted Image Posted Image
Nightmare Before Christmas Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image (Which he didnt direct)
Ed Wood Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image 1/2
Mars Attacks! Posted Image
Sleepy Hollow Posted Image Posted Image
Planet Of The Apes Posted Image



I think hes VERY OVERRATED as a director and doesnt translate a story to film very well at all.

#7 of 17 OFFLINE   Ken_McAlinden

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Posted June 23 2003 - 06:43 AM

I loved Edward Scissorhands, hated Batman Returns, loved Ed Wood, found Mars Attacks tedious, loved Sleepy Hollow, did not like Planet of the Apes. I'd say he's about due for one that I like. Is there a part for Johnny Depp in the Willy Wonka film? I'm not a big Depp fan, or anything, but he seems to involved with the better Burton films of the last several years. Posted Image

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#8 of 17 OFFLINE   Guy_K

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Posted June 23 2003 - 06:50 AM

Big Fish will probably be Burton's new creative film, don't give up on him yet!

#9 of 17 OFFLINE   todd stone

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Posted June 23 2003 - 07:12 AM

You gave Edward Scissorhands only 1 star? Harsh..
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#10 of 17 OFFLINE   Marvin Richardson

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Posted June 23 2003 - 08:01 AM

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All reviews are out of four Posted Images.

In my opinion, he's made one bad movie, and it was a stinker. Every other movie he's made has at least been watchable. Batman Returns would have gotten Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image out of me if it had only been about Catwoman; Danny DeVito's Penguin was just gross.
He's not made anything since Planet Of The Apes, so unless you just didn't like Sleepy Hollow or Mars Attacks! (which I can understand if not agree with) it seems premature to say he's lost anything. Hopefully Big Fish will be good, and I have high hopes for Charlie And The Chocolate Factory.

#11 of 17 OFFLINE   Chucky P

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Posted June 23 2003 - 09:56 AM

Planet Of The Apes is my least favorite Burton film (it feels like a cash in) since it's the film that has the least amount of the Burton touch in it while his other films (along with Elfman's music) are full of his influence (which could explain why some dislike his work). He has had his ups and downs before but I expect Big Fish to be a return to form (and Wonka to be another sell out Posted Image).

#12 of 17 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted June 23 2003 - 11:43 AM

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Big Fish will probably be Burton's new creative film, don't give up on him yet!

Any more info on that?


FWIW, I think it'd be cool to see Burton do a film featuring Robert E. Howard's Solomon Kane with Gabriel Byrne in the lead. Posted Image

#13 of 17 OFFLINE   todd stone

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Posted June 23 2003 - 11:55 AM

what is BIG FISH about anyway? I see no Johnny Depp in it
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#14 of 17 OFFLINE   Dave Poehlman

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Posted June 24 2003 - 02:39 AM

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...possibility of Remaking Willy Wonka..

Oh please don't let him twist my son's favorite movie into something dark and macabre.

#15 of 17 OFFLINE   Marvin Richardson

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Posted June 24 2003 - 05:12 AM

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Oh please don't let him twist my son's favorite movie into something dark and macabre.
Why not? The Gene Wilder version will still exist. I hope he does something dark and macabre, at least it will be different from the first film version of the story.

#16 of 17 OFFLINE   Josh Simpson

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Posted June 24 2003 - 07:26 AM

I actually thought the fist one was pretty freaky as a kid. As for a remake, the author of the book wasn't happy with the first movie, so why not try making it again? I know Dahl is gone now, but I believe they still got permission from his family... I say give it a chance, and here's hoping that Burton still has it.

#17 of 17 OFFLINE   John Spencer

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Posted June 24 2003 - 02:09 PM

Maybe he'll do Wonka in the same style as James and the Giant Peach, which he produced with a very hands-on style. Both that and Nightmare Before Christmas I found fantastic.
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