Lewis Besze
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Hi guys,
I've received this player yesterday from "soundpros",it came double boxed and no damage to it,so far so good.
Once I opened it I inspected to make sure everything looks good physically,it does.
Fit and finish is a typical for the Denon line that is currently being manufactured,it is considerably bulkier,and heavier,then my previous player by Panasonic,and probably most others out there.The tray has an intentional delay from the point you press "open",and slides with slower motion too.A nice touch.
The buttons have good feel on to it not that cheap plastic feel you get with most others[though below this price class].After I made sure it powers up,I went ahead to wire it to the rest of the system.
The TV Sony Wega K36FV-1 36" direct view,via component.
Outlaw 950 pre-pro,via 6ch analog,+coaxial,and optical digital inputs
Amps by Parasound HC1201 monoblocks [8]
Polk Audio,LSI-9 speakers for front and surround
Polk LSI-c center channel
2 custom build subs,dual shiva[12" sonotube,and a Blueprint Bp 1503 with dual 15" passive radiators,driven by a Crown CE-1000 amp[1000w in bridged mode]
Ok, I will spend more time with the audio evaluation,since this was the main reason I bought this player,and Stacy Spears also reviews this on the Secrets website,and I feel that he's far more qualified to do a video review then me,though I spend a few words on it too.
Setting it up.
Everything happens via on screen menus,which is very easy to do.Many of the factory defaults were what I wanted to set also,so only a few items need it to be changed.
You can download the manual on Denon's website to see all the items for yourselves.
I set all speakers to small,and entered the speaker distance,just as I did with with the Outlaw preamp,the exception is that in the metric system Denon allows me to adjust by 0.1 M[10cm]as oppose to 0.3M[30 cm @1ft],so it's more precise,also the surround speaker distance can be independently entered,and there is a provision for the sub as well,all which is missing or incomplete on the Outlaw.
Next I did a calibration of sound.
I used the internal test tones.I found our now familiar "culprit" the sub channel was about 10db lower,and it was already at the max setting of 0db.
Unfortunately I can't raise the volume on the preamp because it would throw out the balance, on everything comes in els were[other than the 6ch input],so instead of "panic",I simply played some familiar DVD-A disc to see if the bass would lack.
It DID NOT! It sounded just right,as a matter of fact it sounded better then with all speaker large,and using the Outlaw's analog filter on the 6ch input.
So far so good,so I started with DVD-a disk's.
Before I proceed to it's sonics, I encountered a bit of convenience problem that others being mentioning regarding DVD-A,that I was fortunate enough not be exposed,because of my previous Pana DVD-A player.
The ability to change the group settings without turning your tv on,also since I favor MC this shouldn't be a big issue,but I still had to "press play" several times just to get going.So if any of you know a "shortcut" please post it.
Now, the first disc I played was the soundtrack of A.I. from John Williams.
Sound improved considerably with this player compared to my old one.The sound stage on the MC tracks seemed more stable,and focused,and instruments sounded more real,in an acoustic sense,bass was "tremendous" at times without being overblown.
Next up was Vivaldi's Four Season on the Naxos label,also in MC.
The solo violin,was just awesome here,on my previous player it sounded a bit "shrill",and a bit "veiled",all that is gone now,and the noted sound stage improvement,was apparent here as well.No doubt that is due in part of the finally applied correct time alignment settings.
I've purchased a few SACDs so I can finally listen to that format for the first time.
First up was Pink Floyd's DSOTM in MC as well.
This is where my enthusiasm dropped a bit.The mix and the sonics are both less then stellar IMO on this disc.
On the first track David Gilmore's voice sounded like it was recorded with a badly compressed MP-3 it had a digital "ring" to it.The placement of his guitar was all over the place and was "screaming" at me at times.On the "Great Gig in the Sky" things got out of control too,when Clair Torry started to raise her voice the piano started to sound from the surrounds more forcefully,and becoming very distracting.
Dick Perry's sax on "us and them" sounded "weird" unfocused and "wavering".
Comparing the stereo layer to the original cd I thought that the individual instruments sounded better but not some of the vocals,also the sound stage on the SACD seemed pushed forward,which I didn't like.
Next up was Diana Krall's "When I look into your eyes" in Stereo,and MC.
Wow!Finally I was enjoying SACD and it was a clear cut above the CD.Both the MC and 2ch sounded great,I had some issues with the MC mix particularly with Diana's piano "jumping around",but that was minor compared to the goods here.
While my CD is excellent on all accounts the SACD managed to edge it out that includes the sound stage.
Next up was "Friday Night In San Francisco" from Al Di Meola,Paco De Lucia,and John Mc Laughlin.I also had this on cd,an old Columbia pressing.No contest SACD by a big margin.If you not familiar with these guys,all I have to say that they're among the very best guitar players I should say masters of the world.This album is simply their finest effort to date,and it was recorded live.
Acoustic guitars are among the more difficult instruments to reproduce by digital media IMO.This SACD is really stepping up to the challenge here.The guitars are finally sounding like ones here,all the "steely" thinness is gone,so one can focus on the performance which as I said is fantastic.I highly recommend this disc.
Next was Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano Concerto with Russian pianist Arcadi Volodos,and the Berlin Philharmonic Orch.conducted by James Levine.
While I have this magnificent piece with other performers,I never heard this particular one before.
This concerto is considered the hardest to play by many but Volodos sails through with ease and finesse,his instrument is simply "sings" as it should for this piece,the orchestra is equally good as well,and the recording is simply outstanding in every way.Even in stereo it sounds spacious yet tight.
The piano "wanders" a bit but it probably due to the venue's acoustics.Great performance great sound.All in all I was very pleased with SACD and the Denon's performance.
I managed to watch some DVDs a well,but I found differences among them a lot less "obvious" then with audio components.
Let's just say that our eyes are far more "objective" then our ears are.
Still there was one obvious difference I found was the lack of "moire" on fine details on objects like a tweed blazer,or a brick covering on a house shot from a distance.
Those were painfully evident with my previous players,not at all with the Denon,I played the new Hunt For Red October,and found that most of the problems I complained about[in a different thread] was reduced considerably.I also watched Patriot Games,and Basic Instinct Director's cut both over a decade old films,and I couldn't find anything objectionable.
I also didn't notice the layer changes at all,the player has a memory buffer which takes care of that.
I was using the digital outs for the sound,and I didn't notice any difference,nor I did expect to with DD and DTS.
The remote is ok but I already programmed my Pronto,so I didn't use it much.The transport keys are glowing in the dark,and it's arranged thoughtfully.All in all this a fine player and finally it does BM correctly and extensively,those who been waiting on such player I know I was, this is it. I highly recommend it!
If you guys have questions fire it away.
I've received this player yesterday from "soundpros",it came double boxed and no damage to it,so far so good.
Once I opened it I inspected to make sure everything looks good physically,it does.
Fit and finish is a typical for the Denon line that is currently being manufactured,it is considerably bulkier,and heavier,then my previous player by Panasonic,and probably most others out there.The tray has an intentional delay from the point you press "open",and slides with slower motion too.A nice touch.
The buttons have good feel on to it not that cheap plastic feel you get with most others[though below this price class].After I made sure it powers up,I went ahead to wire it to the rest of the system.
The TV Sony Wega K36FV-1 36" direct view,via component.
Outlaw 950 pre-pro,via 6ch analog,+coaxial,and optical digital inputs
Amps by Parasound HC1201 monoblocks [8]
Polk Audio,LSI-9 speakers for front and surround
Polk LSI-c center channel
2 custom build subs,dual shiva[12" sonotube,and a Blueprint Bp 1503 with dual 15" passive radiators,driven by a Crown CE-1000 amp[1000w in bridged mode]
Ok, I will spend more time with the audio evaluation,since this was the main reason I bought this player,and Stacy Spears also reviews this on the Secrets website,and I feel that he's far more qualified to do a video review then me,though I spend a few words on it too.
Setting it up.
Everything happens via on screen menus,which is very easy to do.Many of the factory defaults were what I wanted to set also,so only a few items need it to be changed.
You can download the manual on Denon's website to see all the items for yourselves.
I set all speakers to small,and entered the speaker distance,just as I did with with the Outlaw preamp,the exception is that in the metric system Denon allows me to adjust by 0.1 M[10cm]as oppose to 0.3M[30 cm @1ft],so it's more precise,also the surround speaker distance can be independently entered,and there is a provision for the sub as well,all which is missing or incomplete on the Outlaw.
Next I did a calibration of sound.
I used the internal test tones.I found our now familiar "culprit" the sub channel was about 10db lower,and it was already at the max setting of 0db.
Unfortunately I can't raise the volume on the preamp because it would throw out the balance, on everything comes in els were[other than the 6ch input],so instead of "panic",I simply played some familiar DVD-A disc to see if the bass would lack.
It DID NOT! It sounded just right,as a matter of fact it sounded better then with all speaker large,and using the Outlaw's analog filter on the 6ch input.
So far so good,so I started with DVD-a disk's.
Before I proceed to it's sonics, I encountered a bit of convenience problem that others being mentioning regarding DVD-A,that I was fortunate enough not be exposed,because of my previous Pana DVD-A player.
The ability to change the group settings without turning your tv on,also since I favor MC this shouldn't be a big issue,but I still had to "press play" several times just to get going.So if any of you know a "shortcut" please post it.
Now, the first disc I played was the soundtrack of A.I. from John Williams.
Sound improved considerably with this player compared to my old one.The sound stage on the MC tracks seemed more stable,and focused,and instruments sounded more real,in an acoustic sense,bass was "tremendous" at times without being overblown.
Next up was Vivaldi's Four Season on the Naxos label,also in MC.
The solo violin,was just awesome here,on my previous player it sounded a bit "shrill",and a bit "veiled",all that is gone now,and the noted sound stage improvement,was apparent here as well.No doubt that is due in part of the finally applied correct time alignment settings.
I've purchased a few SACDs so I can finally listen to that format for the first time.
First up was Pink Floyd's DSOTM in MC as well.
This is where my enthusiasm dropped a bit.The mix and the sonics are both less then stellar IMO on this disc.
On the first track David Gilmore's voice sounded like it was recorded with a badly compressed MP-3 it had a digital "ring" to it.The placement of his guitar was all over the place and was "screaming" at me at times.On the "Great Gig in the Sky" things got out of control too,when Clair Torry started to raise her voice the piano started to sound from the surrounds more forcefully,and becoming very distracting.
Dick Perry's sax on "us and them" sounded "weird" unfocused and "wavering".
Comparing the stereo layer to the original cd I thought that the individual instruments sounded better but not some of the vocals,also the sound stage on the SACD seemed pushed forward,which I didn't like.
Next up was Diana Krall's "When I look into your eyes" in Stereo,and MC.
Wow!Finally I was enjoying SACD and it was a clear cut above the CD.Both the MC and 2ch sounded great,I had some issues with the MC mix particularly with Diana's piano "jumping around",but that was minor compared to the goods here.
While my CD is excellent on all accounts the SACD managed to edge it out that includes the sound stage.
Next up was "Friday Night In San Francisco" from Al Di Meola,Paco De Lucia,and John Mc Laughlin.I also had this on cd,an old Columbia pressing.No contest SACD by a big margin.If you not familiar with these guys,all I have to say that they're among the very best guitar players I should say masters of the world.This album is simply their finest effort to date,and it was recorded live.
Acoustic guitars are among the more difficult instruments to reproduce by digital media IMO.This SACD is really stepping up to the challenge here.The guitars are finally sounding like ones here,all the "steely" thinness is gone,so one can focus on the performance which as I said is fantastic.I highly recommend this disc.
Next was Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano Concerto with Russian pianist Arcadi Volodos,and the Berlin Philharmonic Orch.conducted by James Levine.
While I have this magnificent piece with other performers,I never heard this particular one before.
This concerto is considered the hardest to play by many but Volodos sails through with ease and finesse,his instrument is simply "sings" as it should for this piece,the orchestra is equally good as well,and the recording is simply outstanding in every way.Even in stereo it sounds spacious yet tight.
The piano "wanders" a bit but it probably due to the venue's acoustics.Great performance great sound.All in all I was very pleased with SACD and the Denon's performance.
I managed to watch some DVDs a well,but I found differences among them a lot less "obvious" then with audio components.
Let's just say that our eyes are far more "objective" then our ears are.
Still there was one obvious difference I found was the lack of "moire" on fine details on objects like a tweed blazer,or a brick covering on a house shot from a distance.
Those were painfully evident with my previous players,not at all with the Denon,I played the new Hunt For Red October,and found that most of the problems I complained about[in a different thread] was reduced considerably.I also watched Patriot Games,and Basic Instinct Director's cut both over a decade old films,and I couldn't find anything objectionable.
I also didn't notice the layer changes at all,the player has a memory buffer which takes care of that.
I was using the digital outs for the sound,and I didn't notice any difference,nor I did expect to with DD and DTS.
The remote is ok but I already programmed my Pronto,so I didn't use it much.The transport keys are glowing in the dark,and it's arranged thoughtfully.All in all this a fine player and finally it does BM correctly and extensively,those who been waiting on such player I know I was, this is it. I highly recommend it!
If you guys have questions fire it away.