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What makes a $2000 dvd player better than a $200 one?


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#1 of 20 OFFLINE   Mike Milillo

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Posted April 16 2003 - 06:02 AM

this is a stupid question. What makes dvd players that are a couple of thousand dollars better than a dvd player that is a few hundred. I use a sony dvp-ns400d, and I think the picture looks great. How much better can it get? sorry for the newb question.

#2 of 20 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted April 16 2003 - 06:04 AM

I'm moving this to Audio/Video Sources. The question may be simple, but I suspect the answers are complicated.

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#3 of 20 OFFLINE   Josh Pounds

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Posted April 16 2003 - 01:02 PM

In truth, I suspect not much. I had an 800 dollar progressive scan DVD player and recently switched to a Panny RP82--the Panny RP82 had BETTER picture quality and had better features.

It pays most to research the player before buying them -- there are countless resources on the web regarding who has the best chipsets/best performance.

#4 of 20 OFFLINE   KeithH

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Posted April 16 2003 - 03:22 PM

Let's not forget that there is more to a DVD player than video. These players do audio too. In my experience, the difference between budget DVD players and high-end DVD players is much closer in the video department than in the audio department. Thus, the budget player may hold its own in terms of picture quality, but audio (e.g., CDs) is a completely different story.
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#5 of 20 OFFLINE   Mike Milillo

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Posted April 16 2003 - 03:30 PM

interesting, I always wondered that

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Posted April 16 2003 - 04:56 PM

The decoding of audio by a dvd player may change from player to player. However, if you have a receiver decoding the audio then the ability of an expensive player to decode audio is moot.

I may be overstepping my bounds with this assertion but I believe most mid to high tier receivers are capable of better decoding than the average mid to high level dvd player.

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#7 of 20 OFFLINE   ManW_TheUncool

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Posted April 16 2003 - 06:18 PM

But you are probably only talking about DVD-Video soundtracks, not the higher resolution audio formats used for music. Also, I doubt the audio DACs in a $500 receiver are really better than the ones in a $500 player unless you're comparing a new receiver to a 3-year-old player or the like.

And finally, there are NO receivers or external decoders, AFAIK, that can decode DVD-A or SACD nor do any players, AFAIK, output them digitally (yet). Basically, w/ higher-end players, you are getting more of the state-of-the-art at any point in time than a budget player although the PQ has been a question mark w/ many high-end players.

And even w/ the cheap Panny players of last year, where the PQ rivals any high-end player, that's probably just an aberration to a large extent. Look at what Panasonic's doing now w/ their new line, and also see if anybody else is coming out w/ the same level of PQ for <=$200. And also, I personally don't trust inexpensive Panny players for build quality and reliability. The RP91 might be an exception, but that's not exactly a budget player either.

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Posted April 16 2003 - 09:13 PM

The weight.Posted Image

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Posted April 16 2003 - 11:19 PM

Lewis,

Absolutely! Let's certainly not forget fit and finish, and the prestige that comes with knowing that you spent $2000 on a DVD player. Posted Image


Man-Fai,

Good point. It is very likely that a $2000 DVD player will serve as a better transport than a $200 model. In a high-end 5.1 system that is commensurate with the $2000 DVD player, the difference in transport quality is often night and day.
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#10 of 20 OFFLINE   John Kotches

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Posted April 17 2003 - 01:08 AM

Man-Fai,

There are a number of solutions for digital output from a player to a processor -- most of which are proprietary.

SACD:
dCS, Accuphase and Sharp have stereo solutions, all proprietary.

Pioneer has a multi-channel firewire solution, specific to the DV-47ai player / 49TXi receiver for the time being.

DVD-Audio:
Denon, Meridian, Muse and MSB (via player modification) all have proprietary solutions available for multi-channel.

Pioneer has a multi-channel firewire solution, specific to the DV-47ai player / 49TXi receiver for the time being.

I think that's everyone out there with digital solutions, but I could be mistaken.

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#11 of 20 OFFLINE   Mike Milillo

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Posted April 17 2003 - 02:32 AM

wow, I think I can learn alot hanging around these forums. thanks guys

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Posted April 17 2003 - 04:05 AM

I don't know about the $2000 players, but here at work, we use a lot of $800 players - the Pioneer 7400 industrial players.

This player gives us a lot of useful features...

1. Autostart programming. Power comes on in the morning; most of the DVD players go to Title X, Chapter Y, and go into repeat play automatically.

2. RS-232 control. Many of the players are directly controlled by a supervisory AMX system.

3. Blackburst synchronization, for when you need two or more players to play back in perfect sync.

4. Perhaps the most important is endurance. We have perhaps a dozen players now - the first ones we installed - that are pushing the four year old mark. This translates to 14,000 hours of power on and playing a disc. (We average about 3500 hours/year.)

Off hand, I don't recall having any transport failures, either. Presently, we're running about fifty of these puppies at the same time.

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Posted April 17 2003 - 04:10 AM

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There are a number of solutions for digital output from a player to a processor -- most of which are proprietary.

Thanks for the correction, John.

Still, the key relevant point is that you won't get any of that w/ a budget (or mainstream) player and receiver. I'd consider all of those digital solutions as "state-of-the-art" and bleeding edge.

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#14 of 20 OFFLINE   Garrett Lundy

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Posted April 17 2003 - 04:35 AM

Don't forget DAC chips and other technical thingies from companies like Faroudja and Silicon Images. Come to think of it..Faroudja is fun to say.


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#15 of 20 OFFLINE   Lewis Besze

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Posted April 17 2003 - 05:40 AM

Expensive video goods are the past,Faroudja's dvd "engines" are all over the map[price wise] in dvd players.Audio remains much more subjective compared to video,which is why some companies creating such models,and some even bound by it["high end"].
I personaly think that above a $1000 or so price,the "diminishing returns" apply rather fast,of course you could still brag about it as Keith pointed outPosted Image. YMMV.

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Posted April 17 2003 - 06:37 AM

That may be so, but I don't see any new <=$200 players coming out w/ top notch video quality right now.

Personally, I think it might stay that way for a very long time simply because at the <=$200 level, bells-and-whistles sell more players than top notch video quality. And top notch quality for anything is harder and more expensive to produce than bells-and-whistles. That's also part of the law of diminishing returns.

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Posted April 17 2003 - 07:32 AM

Man-Fai,

I don't disagree that these digital solutions are expensive, but your choice of words indicated absolutes...

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#18 of 20 OFFLINE   Ron Boster

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Posted April 17 2003 - 08:18 AM

A (slight) hybred is a DVDPC, which would fall into the 1,500-2,000 range. These provide a scaled native resolution to match your front projector's native scan rate for the best possible picture. They also offer the ability to upgrade as the market produces new and improved video and audio without having to buy a whole new player. Some offer the ability to scale other source material like a VCR, cable or laser disc player to the same scan rate (with an imput on the back). Also, something cool like a movie count down introduction before each dvd or ability to play other region's DVDs.

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Posted April 17 2003 - 03:49 PM

Quote:
That may be so, but I don't see any new <=$200 players coming out w/ top notch video quality right now.
Is that why Panasonic dropped the CP-82?
Maybe Matchushita should have doubled the MSRP?

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Posted April 18 2003 - 02:00 AM

The mod that moved this topic from the basic forum made the right choice. this topic was replied to alot over here, thanks guys





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