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#1 of 39 OFFLINE   Andre Barros

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Posted March 30 2003 - 10:32 PM

I was watching this movie yesterday, "Life Or Something Like it". In one scene Angelina Jolie's sister gives her father a Bose product of some sort for his birthday. I didn't look close but it might have been a Wave radio or something since it was a pretty small box. She than states "It's made by Bose, it has the best sound quality in the world". As most people know that's simply a lie. I know Bose has some clever marketing ideas and I do give them "credit" for that but stating that their product has the best sound quality in the world should be illegal!!! Can manufacturers do this?

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#2 of 39 OFFLINE   ColinM

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Posted March 31 2003 - 12:41 AM

Was there some point to her making that statement in the plot of the movie? (IE - she's gullible?)

It's called product placement - someone drinking a Pepsi, etc. I'm sure you know what I mean.

I've never heard dialog along with the visual clues, though. That's over the top, to me.
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#3 of 39 OFFLINE   Jack Briggs

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Posted March 31 2003 - 04:58 AM

Bose can do anything it wants vis. product placement. No big deal. And the company's right to promote is protected by something called the First Amendment.

#4 of 39 OFFLINE   ColinM

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Posted March 31 2003 - 05:57 AM

The day I see Obi-Wan drinking a Pepsi, is the day I will sell my HT.
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#5 of 39 OFFLINE   Ted Lee

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Posted March 31 2003 - 06:30 AM

i thought i heard somewhere that companies can say "better", but not "best". not sure though...

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#6 of 39 OFFLINE   John Garcia

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Posted March 31 2003 - 03:28 PM

Actually, my dad has a wave radio, and while I am completely at a loss as to why people buy the cube systems, the wave radio has very decent sound for it's size (not price). I achieved superior performance with just $300 in my bedroom system however...
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#7 of 39 OFFLINE   Andre Barros

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Posted March 31 2003 - 10:26 PM

I thought that in order to state that your product is the best you had to show studies that demonstrated that a certain percentage of the people interviwed or something considered it to be better. Several years ago there was a comercial on TV that asked "Do you think that diet Sprite is better that diet 7up (or vice versa), than you are right!" but at the end of the commercial the small print read "Studies show that X number of people prefer....." Anyway, it was the first time I ever saw an electronics manufacturer advertising in that particular way in movies. Just shows how powerful their marketing is.

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#8 of 39 OFFLINE   Frank Zimkas

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Posted April 01 2003 - 12:11 AM

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The day I see Obi-Wan drinking a Pepsi, is the day I will sell my HT.

Same here! Everybody knows that he prefers the taste of New Coke!!

#9 of 39 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:05 AM

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I know Bose has some clever marketing ideas and I do give them "credit" for that but stating that their product has the best sound quality in the world should be illegal!!! Can manufacturers do this?

The manufacturer didn't make the statement. A fictional character in a movie did. Statements made by characters in movies don't have to be true; if they did, a lot of plots would have to be discarded.

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#10 of 39 OFFLINE   Lew Crippen

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:09 AM

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I thought that in order to state that your product is the best you had to show studies that demonstrated that a certain percentage of the people interviwed or something considered it to be better.
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She than states "It's made by Bose, it has the best sound quality in the world". As most people know that's simply a lie.


This is the opinion of a character in a movie, not a statement of fact. No different than having a character say that Chevy makes the best cars.

This is not presented in any way other than as what someone believes.

I’m curious as to what led you to think otherwise?
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#11 of 39 OFFLINE   Lew Crippen

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:10 AM

Oops, it looks as though Michael posted while I was writing.

Oh well, the point is the same.
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#12 of 39 OFFLINE   Brian Perry

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:15 AM

A couple of interesting points have been brought up already.

Jack, I understand that Bose can promote via free speech, but you must acknowledge they are bound by certain limitations of what they can say, right?

Michael R.,

If a fictional character can say anything (and I'm not disputing this), could this lead to more of this type of advertising? Product placement is one thing--having a character recite a carefully planned statement boasting of unsubstantiated (or false) claims is another. For example, in Rain Man, Dustin Hoffman's character states that Quantas is the only airline never to have had a crash, which I believe is true. It was a nice little promo for Quantas, regardless of whether they paid for it or not. But let's say they had had a few crashes. Would it be right to lie about it in a movie?

#13 of 39 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:33 AM

If "right" means "legal", then I think there would have to be a change in the law for such a statement to become actionable. I suppose one could argue that, if Qantas (or whoever) paid the filmmakers for the reference, it was tantamount to an advertisement and, therefore, should be subject to the same standards and practices. But there are a lot of slippery slopes in that landscape, and I'd rather have the defense side of the argument. ("So you're saying that people in the audience for Rain Man are likely to choose their airline based on the statements of an autistic fictional character who's repeatedly shown to be out of touch with everyday reality???")

And what happens if the statement is true when the film is made, but then circumstances change (in this example, Qantas has a crash)? Does the film have to be edited? Imagine the HTF outcry: "We want the ORIGINAL Rain Man where Qantas didn't crash and Greedo shot first!!!" Posted Image

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#14 of 39 OFFLINE   Jack Fanning

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:38 AM

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As most people know that's simply a lie.


I think this is the problem....most people DO NOT realize that is simply a lie.

#15 of 39 OFFLINE   Brian Perry

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:49 AM

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So you're saying that people in the audience for Rain Man are likely to choose their airline based on the statements of an autistic fictional character who's repeatedly shown to be out of touch with everyday reality?

I knew it was a problematic example, but it was the quickest one I could think of. Posted Image (And good catch on the spelling of Qantas!)

#16 of 39 OFFLINE   John Watson

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:49 AM

the wisdom of the ages, as expressed by WC Fields - Never give a sucker an even break

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#17 of 39 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted April 01 2003 - 02:55 AM

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I knew it was a problematic example

I thought it was a pretty good example, because it involves a factual claim that might be considered important (as opposed to the Bose example).

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#18 of 39 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted April 01 2003 - 05:44 AM

Odds are the Qantas thing in Rain Man was not any kind of "product placement", but simply an obscure fact that somebody came across and thought would be a good "odd" thing for Raymond to know and rattle off. On the anti-product side in the same film, we have Raymond's famous pronouncement, "K-Mart sucks". Posted Image

As for Angelina Jolie - the answer has been given. Fictional character giving opinion, not actionable. Advertising rules can hardly be applied to things that aren't advertisements per se. (Besides, depending on the filmmaker's attitude towards Bose and Jolie's character, the statement may have been satirical)

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#19 of 39 OFFLINE   Lew Crippen

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Posted April 01 2003 - 06:00 AM

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I think this is the problem....most people DO NOT realize that is simply a lie.
All the more reason that legal action based on the truth of the statement would likely fail.

After all, if a character could reasonably believe something to be true (even if it were false), then why should that character not say what they believe to be true?
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#20 of 39 OFFLINE   Mike Lenthol

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Posted April 01 2003 - 06:00 AM

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As most people know that's simply a lie.

WHAT? Posted Image



Ohh I get it, it's April 1st Posted Image


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