Posted March 22 2003 - 03:01 PM
| My amusement at the hypocrisy of being OK with stereotypical sexually objectified women but being offended at the "Computer Geeks" reference stands however. |
Please show me where in this thread I agreed with the objectification of women? Summer is a stripper. She is what she is. For better or worse that is how she is portrayed in the Outlaw series. It may be quite difficult to believe but the profession of stripping is fundamentally about objectifying ones self.
Once again I will state that the sexual content simply doesn't play into my decision on whether I buy the game or not. If it does indeed end up being humorous I have no problems enjoying it
Furthermore no one was offended by the "computer geek" comments as it stands. Its simply ridiculous to state such stereotypes when gamers in general are stereotyped as being nerds and geeks themselves. Now THAT I find ironic.
| It wasn't, it was aimed at the game & gamemakers themselves, not the posters. I can see how it could be interpreted that way since I didn't clearly announce who I was referring to, sorry. I was not trying to tell you how to think, I was stating (and BTW I thought I made myself clear on what I was saying in my subsequent posts so the continuing confusion is odd) how I feel about this sort of accepted ignorance when it is aimed and marketed at adolescents. |
That was exactly my point. You never stated your intentions clearly. Which is EXACTLY why you received the kind of replies and comments that you did. For some reason afterward you seemed suprised to receive those very replies.
If you look over my post again you'll notice that I did mention you stated your opinion more clealy in later posts. I'll reciprocate with an apology for the misintepretation nonetheless. So Kevin, I am sorry if I misunderstood you and thank you for the clarification.
| Oh come on, you can't seriously think that those ratings are anything but a marketing joke to pacify the moral majority (of which I am not a member BTW) it's the mind set that create and sell this sort of thing to children that I object to, and you can use whatever rhetoric you wish to rationalize it, the rating system is a joke and kids can & will buy M rated games at many vendors across the country just like they are able to buy CD's with similar ratings with little or no trouble. |
Oh come on yourself Kevin. If thats how you feel about the "system" then more power to you. It is your opinion and in keeping with the theme of the discussion you are more than allowed to express it. Now, Allow me to retort
I find it interesting that no where in your entire reply was the responsibility of a PARENT
taken into account.
You do afterall mention the adolescents of America and the supposed mindset which creates these horrific products of mass corruption. You'll forgive me for saying so but hogwash and bullshit. I'll once again stand by my own words and say I don't know of a any adolescent who holds a full time job and I sure as hell do not know of any that can go out and buy CD's and games on thier respective whims.
Its so very easy to find a scapegoat for the problems that the young people in this country face. Its so easy in fact that every so often we are regaled with a plethora of ridiculous lawsuits being filed by some mourning parent who decides to blame DOOM for the death of thier child. Nonsense! All of this in the very aftermath of some senseless tragedy that simply has nothing to do with videogames, movies or music but with disturbed individuals who would be disturbed regardless of whether they played Super Mario Brothers or Resident Evil.
What I ask then is, what your solution to the supposed problem Kevin? Seeing as irony is such a popular topic, there was a thread here recently discussing the goverment enforcement of the rating system and the hefty penalties that retailers would face if they did not follow and enforce the set guidelines.
One very provocative theme which continually reared its head was censorship and what affect government enforcement would have on the development community in general and the games that would be subsequently created. I for one am against any and all forms of censorship but following your line of thinking Kevin, as well as the criticisms you have leveled towards developers and game publishers, censorship seems to be an inevitable conclusion. So exactly what would you propose as opposed to the "marketing ploy" you call a rating system?
| Well yet again I never ONCE said that you have to do what I say or forced my opinion on you (if you don't like it you don't have to read it...right?) but I, again, reserve the right to criticize the minds behind this. Is that ok with you? |
Never had an issue with stating opinions or criticism from the start. I summarily stated my issue was with your first post and we seemed to have cleared that up. I of course do reserve the right to disagree with your criticism and give a rebuttal of my own if need be.