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Two Towers - Army Of Darkness - same movie?


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#1 of 34 OFFLINE   Philip Hamm

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Posted December 20 2002 - 07:23 AM

When I was watching The Two Towers at the end when Theoden was giving his men the pep talk before the battle, as the Uruk-Hai were marching, all I could think of was the end of "Army Of Darkness" when Ash fights the same battle. I turned and said to my brother Peter "Maybe we can hold them off! ...And maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot".

Laughter followed.


The marching hordes of Uruk-Hai looked just like the deadites from AoD.

I just couldn't get that scene from Army Of Darkness out of my mind for the whole sacking. Even when the Riders of Rohan came in, it was like when Henry The Red came and helped Bruce and his army against the Deadite scourge.

All we needed was Aragorn to turn to Eowyn and say "Give Me Some Sugar Baby".
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#2 of 34 OFFLINE   Thi Them

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Posted December 20 2002 - 07:29 AM

Army of Darkness did cross my mind during that scene.

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#3 of 34 OFFLINE   Philip Hamm

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Posted December 20 2002 - 07:30 AM

Glad I was not the only one.
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#4 of 34 OFFLINE   Jason Seaver

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Posted December 20 2002 - 07:34 AM

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#5 of 34 OFFLINE   Richard Kim

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Posted December 20 2002 - 07:34 AM

Yeah, the Helm's Deep Battle did remind me alot of the final battle in Army of Darkness.

Also, in FOTR, when the Fellowship was formed in the council in Rivendell, was also reminiscent of AoD.("You have my sword", "You have my bow", "and my axe!") Posted Image

#6 of 34 OFFLINE   Matt Pelham

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Posted December 20 2002 - 07:36 AM

"You can count on my steel!"

Wow, I never thought of that before, incredible!

#7 of 34 OFFLINE   Quentin

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Posted December 20 2002 - 07:56 AM

That's like thinking that all siege movies are alike - AoD, Assault on Precinct 13, Two Towers, The Alamo...etc.

I guess they will have qualities in common, but I for one wasn't thinking anything but, "Holy Cow" when I watched Helm's Deep.

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Posted December 20 2002 - 08:06 AM

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#9 of 34 OFFLINE   David Rogers

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Posted December 20 2002 - 09:01 AM

Uh no.

Okay, both include a medieval setting. As far as I see it going.
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Posted December 20 2002 - 09:33 AM

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#11 of 34 OFFLINE   Rob Lutter

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Posted December 20 2002 - 09:35 AM

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#12 of 34 OFFLINE   Kevin M

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Posted December 20 2002 - 10:30 AM

Yes, I also saw (in my mind anyway) a connection, in fact..
When the Uruk-Hai were running away at the end of the battle
I turned to my friend and said "Let's get the hell out of here!!"
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#13 of 34 OFFLINE   Joseph Young

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Posted December 20 2002 - 10:30 AM

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Priceless.

Thanks to this thread, I'm going to watch AoD tonight.

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#14 of 34 OFFLINE   Artur Meinild

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Posted December 21 2002 - 12:36 PM

I didn't notice any clear AOD references, but keep in mind what David just said: The settings are very much alike, and there isn't a whole lot of things you can do about that. You know, the way people defended a castle and the phrases used in the middle ages ("You have my sword") are pretty much set from historic sources, so of course there will be similarities... Besides, the story of LOTR are much older than AOD, so if there are similar story lines (riders coming to help), it's much more likely that AOD has it from LOTR.
IF there are in fact some clear references, I'm pretty sure that PJ has watched AOD, and that all references are totally deliberate... We'll just have to wait for the DVD commentary to see if he mentions it... Posted Image

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#15 of 34 OFFLINE   Richard Kim

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Posted December 21 2002 - 12:38 PM

I just found another Army of Darkness reference in TTT. When Saruman shields Wormtongue's candle from the explosive powder used in Helm's Deep it was reminiscent of the Ash creating gunpowder scene in AoD. Posted Image

#16 of 34 OFFLINE   Michael St. Clair

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Posted December 21 2002 - 01:12 PM

Count me in as another who immediately thought of AoD during the approach to the Helms Deep battle.

#17 of 34 OFFLINE   Dennis Pagoulatos

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Posted December 22 2002 - 03:37 AM

I didn't think AoD at all...but during FOTR during the Balrog sequence, when Gandalf says "RUN!!" I started chuckling because I immediately thought of "RUNN AWAAYYY!!" from Holy Grail. Posted Image
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#18 of 34 OFFLINE   Kevin M

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Posted December 22 2002 - 05:56 AM

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I didn't notice any clear AOD references, but keep in mind what David just said: The settings are very much alike, and there isn't a whole lot of things you can do about that.

I can't speak for anyone else but I personally wasn't suggesting that there are any intentional references by Peter Jackson to Sam the Man's film, I just see the similarities because of #1 "Medieval Siege" film plot necessities...a huge army storming a castle isn't exactly a "new" idea.
and #2 the influence that LOTR has had on fantasy story telling over the years.
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#19 of 34 OFFLINE   Rich Tysinger

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Posted December 22 2002 - 06:48 AM

I'm with Dennis, I thought of Monty Python instead of Army Darkness. As we were walking out of the theater, I told my dad that all that was really needed to defend Helm's Deep was two rude Frenchman launching livestock...

#20 of 34 OFFLINE   Philip Hamm

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Posted December 23 2002 - 12:19 AM

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I just found another Army of Darkness reference in TTT. When Saruman shields Wormtongue's candle from the explosive powder used in Helm's Deep it was reminiscent of the Ash creating gunpowder scene in AoD.
Me, too!

I saw TTT again this weekend with my brother Peter and the similarities were even more striking. The aforementioned gunpowder scene was just like in AoD. Also, the scene when Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas are getting ready for the battle, at a certain pause I looked over at Peter and said "Groovy".

I'll never be able to watch TTT without thinking about AoD. Funny, funny stuff.

And it's not just "all seige movies". Both movies feature a small stalwart small band of humans defending a castle and it's inhabitants against hordes of unhuman (or formerly human in the case of AoD) monsters. Both have a last minute ride-in/rescue/day-saving by previously estranged allied force. Both feature gunpowder and explosions in a midieval(sp?) setting. They have similar pacing and shots. It's funny.
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