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XM Signs The NHL

Discussion in 'Mobile Phones / Entertainment' started by Joe McCabe, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Joe McCabe

    Joe McCabe Well-Known Member

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    From Orbitcast:

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    The glove has been thrown. Think the programming wars are over? Think again. XM Satellite Radio today announced a 10-year, $100 million dollar, exclusive, agreement with the NHL. XM will begin broadcasting NHL games in the 2005-2006 season, and in 2007 (when NASCAR jumps to Sirius) XM will be the National Hockey League’s exclusive satellite radio provider. Touche!

    XM will provide live play-by-play broadcasts of every game from every team (covering over 1,000 games per season), as well as the NHL All-Star Game, the Stanley Cup Playoffs and the Stanley Cup Final. XM Satellite Radio will also produce a dedicated NHL radio channel featuring pretty everything about the sport (think MLB Homeplate for hockey). And of course, Canucks can rest assured that this will all be covered on CSR (ya hosers).
     
  2. MatS

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  3. Joe Fisher

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    XM radio just got better. Awesome. Simply awesome.

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  4. Brent T

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    One gets left turns which has millions apon millons of fans the other gets a sport that got worse ratings then the WNBA.

    I wonder who will get the World Championship of Poker ?
     
  5. MatS

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    numbers can say anything you want them to
    so since you had your say I'll add mine

    hardcore NHL viewers (the majority of the fanbase) have alternatives to ESPN such as Center Ice
    NHL fans fill most of the stadiums therefore they don't need to tune in to ESPN
    NHL fans can watch their local team on regional cable/satellite sports networks therefore they don't need ESPN

    hate all you want but most of us NHL fans aren't looking for 'mainstream' acceptance

    now to add something constructive to the topic
    XM stations 204-209 will be used for NHL
     
  6. Brent T

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    Ummm I am a huge fan of the NHL (got my fantasty draft tonight and I hope Gonchar falls to me) but I also know facts are facts. So I really do not understand "hate all you want but most of us NHL fans aren't looking for 'mainstream' acceptance "

    But the truth is, the WNBA had more viewers then the NHL two years ago. The problem with the NHL on XM is who is going to listen to it ? The NHL can hardly get viewers let alone listeners.

    And you said it best "hardcore NHL viewers (the majority of the fanbase) have alternatives to ESPN such as Center Ice
    NHL fans fill most of the stadiums therefore they don't need to tune in to ESPN NHL fans can watch their local team on regional cable/satellite sports networks therefore they don't need ESPN."


    There is a reason the NHL is on OLN and lets be honest about it. Hockey is a niche sport with die hard fans. Problem is there isnt many of us out there.

    Go Flyers !
     
  7. MatS

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    Brent
    knowing where you are coming from I agree with you, well other than the Go Flyers part

    but look at what I said
    the WNBA fans didn't have the kind of options (that I know of) that NHL fans had to view their sport so of course their options on one provider would be greater than the options of NHL fans who's options are spread out amongst many providers


    back to what I said originally, I don't view this as a problem
    have you seen OLN's "We Believe In Hockey" campaign yet
    a great example of showing the strong sense of community amongst those who 'get it'
     
  8. Brent T

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    I know this is off the XM topic but...

    After watching last nights game on OLN I along with everyone one of my friends who did were disgusted with almost everything about OLN's broadcast last night.
     
  9. MatS

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    my email last night to OLN feedback@olntv.com


    I didn't even go into how poor their broadcast team was or how their set and graphics looked like they came from Tom Mees era ESPN or how the picture and audio quality was less than to be desired.

    OLN's coverage last night was the best advertising Center Ice could have not asked for.
     
  10. Brent T

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    I couldnt agree with you more. After watching HDnets games the past two nights I see almost no reason to turn on OLN. As you said, the set (from being able to see the pant legs and chairs of the hosts to the most amature graphics..ughhh), the team in the booth, the horrid camera angles and ZOOM were so bad that I didnt even want to watch the 3rd period of the game.

    I had my father come over to watch it (I had believed the flyers game would be in HD) and all he could say was he was that the NHL/OLN would have had to try real hard to have a worse opening night broadcast.

    Mats please let me know if or when you hear anything. I am dying to know their response.
     
  11. Jeff Adkins

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    Comparing the WNBA and NHL fanbases are a total joke. The WNBA doesnt' even come close. You cannot compare ratings between ESPN and NBC. The only reason the WNBA was on NBC 2 years ago is because they were forced to take it as part of the NBA TV deal. Believe me, NBC would rather show the NHL over the WNBA.

    Almost every NHL arena was near 20,000 on Wednesday night. The WNBA couldn't do that even on its best day. The NHL averaged about 15,000 attendance per game during its last season, the WNBA about 8,000. A large portion of those 8,000 are on freebie tickets. There are 2 for 1 deals at convenience stores on a regular basis. NHL tickets aren't cheap in most markets.

    Just to expand a little about what MatS said about Canada. Both XM and Sirius just recently got approved to start selling service into Canada. I'm not sure when the start date is, but its soon. The NHL pulls ratings in Canada bigger than the NFL does in the U.S., so whichever of the 2 services offers the NHL is going to be a big influence on Canadian consumers.

    Overall, a great aquisition by XM, in my opinion.
     
  12. Brent T

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    Jeff the only problem with your statement is that TV ratings are about the only thing that matters in sports. TV ratings = revenue. There is a reason the NFL is the most dominate sport of the current generation.

    Teams can not survive in todays market on gate alone. Its that simple.
     
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    LOL
    of course there is (a reason)
    it's called gambling
    remove that element from the NFL and see how many people care
    If it is about the sport I'd much rather watch college pigskin.
     
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    Those are the finals (4-7 broadcasts) look at the regular season numbers where the NHL pulled in a .24 and the WNBA was pulling in a constant .40

    Lets not forget that ESPN...

    Had better ratings in the same time slots for Poker
    Had very similiar ratings for Bowling
    Didnt exercise their 60 million dollar right for this season
    Gave NBC the right to broad cast the Stanely Cup finals FOR FREE !!

    My point once again is that the NHL will never be a mainstream sport for the simple reason that they can not generate TV ratings which = Revenue

    MLB - ESPN just paid an estimated $2.5 Billion for an 8 year deal, Fox is currently paying $417 Million per year

    NFL - Fox will pay $712 Million per year, CBS $622.5 Million per year, Directv pays $700 Million a year, ESPN will pay $1.1 BILLION a year, and NBC will pay $600 Million per year

    NHL - OLN will pay $69.2 Million per year

    World Series of Poker - Gets $12 Million per year


    I love hockey as much as the next guy, but lets be realistic, its a niche sport and I doubt it will ever be anything more then that. The NHL doesnt bring many people to the TV let alone to a Satelite Radio service.

    We as hockey fans do not have to defend the sport we enjoy (there isnt much to defend), but what we should be doing is taking someone to a live game. Thats how you make a hockey fan, not by watching it on TV.
     
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    I'm not sure why, but you seem to pretend Canada doesn't exist. The NHL will bring many Canadians to XM.
     
  17. Brent T

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    Hockey on XM will bring many Canadians to XM ? Canadians didnt even support the few teams they had. There's a reason why the NHL moves teams out of Canada and would like to do so even more and its not just the exchange rate [​IMG]

    The only team that has a large following up there are the Leafs, if the Leafs arent on Hockey Night the ratings have a drastic drop. Canada cares about two teams, the Leafs and Team Canada. Thats it.

    I gotta believe that the NHL will bring as many listeners of Hockey to XM as Richard Simmons is bringing to Sirius.

    As for your links, sorry I just strictly go by what ESPN reported their ratings were, not the Mercury News. Even a 1.4 across the season are horrible ratings for a sport that wants to be considered a major sport. Poker pulls about the same ratings.
     
  18. Jeff Adkins

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    I can't recall any Canadian team moving since 1996 when the Jets left Winnipeg. That was almost 10 years ago! Don't make statements like "There's a reason why the NHL moves teams out of Canada" when it's not relevant to today's marketplace whatsoever.

    So which teams are the NHL dying to move from Canada to the U.S.? And for what reasons......I've gotta hear this.
     
  19. Brent T

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    I did not say Candian cities do not support their local teams. I said Canadians did not support the teams they had. 25% of the teams in Canada relocated. Why ? The Montreal Candians have been on sale for as long as I can remember, Imagine if it were the Cowboys, RedSox or NY Rangers. Why would that be ? Oh and the reason the NHL and its owners want to move teams out of Canada are because of a major tax disadvantage those teams have (which the people of Canada were not in favor of changing). Thats the reason you had to hear, which I thought was pretty common knowledge. Look at how local government and its tax payers in the states poney up cash for their sports teams.

    The point is this simple and I am not sure what isnt clear about it. Hockey will bring very few people to purchase and pay a monthly fee for XM Radio.

    The Toronto Globe said it best:

    "The biggest myth in this country is that Canadians are dyed-in-the-wool hockey fans," an anonymous network exec tells Globe columnist William Houston. "That's a lie. They don't watch juniors. They don't attend junior games to a great degree. They don't watch the [American Hockey League], andthey don't watch NHL games involving U.S. teams . Just ask TSN about their numbers when the Leafs aren't playing. The Leafs, the playoffs and Team Canada are the biggest TV draws for Canadian sports fans. Is this news to anyone? Other NHL teams, minor pro teams and junior hockey draw mostly regional audiences. Any surprises there?"

    Sounds like something I said in an earlier post.

    But back to the point of this thread... Jeff what do you think the NHL will bring to XM as far as number of new subscribers ?

    I hope its over 833,333 new subscribers to pay 12 bucks a month for the next 10 years (and this doesnt even include actual cost for the programming of the NHL Channels) because thats what the NHL needs to see happen for it to even be mildly cost effective for XM.


    Well thats the last I am gonna say on this. Dont see how I could say much else.

    Go Flyers and may Simone Gagne and late round pick Steve Sullivan carry me the rest of my fantasy season !!
     
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    THANK GOD!!! As a Sirius subscriber, I can happily say that I don't have access to the gawd-awful NHL and baseball. To XM, I say: "KEEP EM, SUCKAS!" I'll just keep on listening to the NFL on my SIRIUS.
     

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