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WHV Announcement: Guys and Dolls and Hans Christian Andersen (Blu-ray)

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Ronald Epstein, Jul 24, 2012.

  1. Moe Dickstein

    Moe Dickstein Filmmaker

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    FYI just took a vote at the local meeting, and the gays approve of:
    Splendor In The Grass
    East of Eden
    Giant
    The Philadelphia Story
    The Time Machine
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    The Magnificent Ambersons.
    Sorry but tough luck on the rest.
     
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    Movies tend to be bought for repeat watchings. Thus, animated films, children's films, westerns, science fiction and, as it turns out, musicals, are genres that are disproportionally represented in home video releases. Dramas and comedies often are not so fortunate, whatever their cinematic quality.
    I suspect that gay-identification of genres and tastes has little to do with this overall. I even know gay people who don't like movies at all and would find this forum very bizarre.
    It takes a lot of things to make a world.
     
  3. Moe Dickstein

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    On a more serious note, I would tend to think that Comedies would fit into the "re-watchable" group, more than most, at least the ones that you watch over and over with friends and then quote back ad-nauseum. Stuff like Ghostbusters or Tommy Boy or Clue...
     
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    Actually, WB tend to gravitate toward musicals because they are generally in Technicolor. These two certainly fit the bill. How many B&W musicals has WB released on blu-ray?
     
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    "Stuff like Ghostbusters or Tommy Boy or Clue..."
    Or THE WOMEN.
     
  6. Moe Dickstein

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    Actually, what we should be asking in this particular thread is, What will the next movie WB will release from the Samuel Goldwyn collection?
    My vote would be for "The Best Years Of Our Lives". Can't go wrong with a Best Picture winner. Generally.
     
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    Well, Todd, as a homosexual male who happens to really enjoy musicals, I'm actually insulted that you would feel personally "insulted" by his generalization. It's hardly outrageous to say that gay audiences do tend to gravitate towards the films mentioned and I'm hard pressed to understand why you would be "insulted" by being in that group.

    He's not "condemning" the movies because gays watch them, but you seem to think he is because, to you, gay is clearly an insult. It's 2012, time to grow up.

    The fact that you feel that "gay" is an insult says more about you than it does about the guy you're bitching about.

    YOUR apology is accepted.
     
  8. Jacksmyname

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    Well put, Ron.
    I'm 63, and have been a movie addict since about the age of 7.
    I grew up watching and loving all kinds of movies, including musicals.
    Back in the '50's, we had an old DuMont tv, screen size unknown now.
    To see these great, classic films restored to their original states, or maybe even a
    bit better, is a joy.
    And, if a studio should decide that they want to release some films for a particular group
    of people, so what?
    We all benefit.
    BTW: to the OP: I'm straight, and love these musicals, as does my wife.
    Ron, you were much kinder to the OP than I would have been.
    And, something I've wanted to post since finding this forum......
    Thanks for a great place for movie buffs to "hang out" in.
     
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    Decades ago I saw a gorgeous 35mm print of Best Years of Our Lives. The cinematography was breathtaking. Definitely a prime candidate for BD. It's also one of the few Academy Award winning films that IMHO actually merited the award.
    I just wish it had ended with the airplane graveyard sequence and the indelible, heartbreaking image of Dana Andrews realizing that, indeed, the best years of his life were behind him. A great film, all around.
     
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    As for Samuel Goldwyn Productions we can expect on blu-ray in the future? The following have a good shot at a blu-ray release:
    Dodsworth (1936)
    Stella Dallas (1937)
    Dead End (1937)
    The Hurricane (1937)
    Wuthering Heights (1939)
    The Westerner (1940)
    The Little Foxes (1941)
    Ball of Fire (1941)
    The Pride of the Yankees (1942)
    Up in Arms (1944)
    The Princess and the Pirate (1944)
    The Best Years of Our Lives (1945)
    Wonder Man (1945)
    The Bishop's Wife (1947)
    The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (1947)
    Porgy and Bess (1959)
    The Technicolor features and Academy Award winners have more of an edge.
     
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    I believe all or nearly all of the titles you listed are covered in the recent Goldwyn-Warner licensing agreement and stand good chances of being released in blu-ray.
     
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    Absolutely my feelings as well.


    As far as the subject at hand, I can take these 2 films or leave them, but I'll probably still get them if the transfers are good. But I am really looking forward to more upcoming SG releases.
     
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    I would seriously love a decent Technicolor version of PRINCESS & THE PIRATE as well as the early Danny Kaye features (esp WONDER MAN and KID FROM BROOKLYN.)

    I know GOLDWYN FOLLIES is a long shot (and a bizarre movie, to boot) but I'd snap that up too because, as bad as it is, I've always had a soft spot for it/
     
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    I'm straight as an arrow and LOVE musicals. A major part of my dvd collection are musicals. I remember watching these on Sunday afternoons when I was a kid before cable. It's great that warner's is bringing these out on Blu. I only hope that they will also start releasing b/w musicals. Love to see Best Years Of Our Lives on blu ray, it's one of my favorites!
     
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    If we look at all the pre-1970 titles that Warner's released to Blu-Ray (or announced as forthcoming), musicals only represent 12 of the 52 titles.
    1930's: 5 films (1 musical)
    King Kong (1933) - Fantasy
    Mutiny on the Bounty (1935) - Action-Adventure/Military
    The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) - Action-Adventure/Epic
    Gone with the Wind (1939) - Drama/Period
    The Wizard of Oz (1939) - Musical
    1940's: 6 films (1 musical)
    Citizen Kane (1941) - Drama
    The Maltese Falcon (1941) - Film Noir
    Casablanca (1942) - Drama/Romance
    Meet Me in St. Louis (1944) - Musical
    Fort Apache (1948) - Western/Epic
    The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) - Drama/Period
    1950's: 17 films (7 musicals - 6 listed as such, plus A Star is Born)
    An American in Paris (1951) - Musical
    Quo Vadis (1951) - Drama/Period
    Strangers on a Train (1951) - Film Noir
    A Streetcar Named Desire (1951) - Drama/Melodrama
    Hans Christian Andersen (1952) - Musical
    Singin' in the Rain (1952) - Musical
    Dial M for Murder (1954) - Suspense/Thriller
    A Star is Born (1954) - Drama/Melodrama
    Guys and Dolls (1955) - Musical
    The Bad Seed (1956) - Suspense/Thriller
    Forbidden Planet (1956) - Sci-Fi/Space
    The Searchers (1956) - Western/Epic
    Jailhouse Rock (1957) - Musical
    Gigi (1958) - Musical
    Ben-Hur (1959) - Action-Adventure/Epic
    North by Northwest (1959) - Suspense/Thriller
    Rio Bravo (1959) - Western/Epic
    1960's: 24 films (3 musicals)
    Ocean's 11 (1960) - Action-Adventure/Crime
    King of Kings (1961) - Drama/Period
    How the West Was Won (1962) - Western/Epic
    Lolita (1962) - Drama/Romance
    The Music Man (1962) - Musical
    Mutiny on the Bounty (1962) - Action-Adventure/Military
    What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (1962) - Suspense/Thriller
    Dead Ringer (1964) - Suspense/Thriller
    The Incredible Mr. Limpet (1964) - Comedy/Slapsticj
    Viva Las Vegas (1964) - Musical
    Battle of the Bulge (1965) - War/World War II
    The CIncinnati Kid (1965) - Drama/Sports
    Doctor Zhivago (1965) - Drama/Period
    Grand Prix (1966) - Drama/Sports
    Bonnie and Clyde (1967) - Action-Adventure/Crime
    Camelot (1967) - Musical
    Cool Hand Luke (1967) - Drama
    The Dirty Dozen (1967) - War/World War II
    2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Sci-Fi/Space
    Bullitt (1968) - Action-Adventure/Crime
    The Green Berets (1968) - War/Vietnam
    Ice Station Zebra (1968) - Action-Adventure/Espionage
    Where Eagles Dare (1968) - War/World War II
    The Wild Bunch (1969) - Western/Epic
    If we split them according to the genres (based on what DVD Aficionado classifies them as), it would look like this:
    Drama: 13 films (12 if "A Star is Born" were moved to the musical genre)
    Gone with the Wind (1939) - Drama/Period
    Citizen Kane (1941) - Drama
    Casablanca (1942) - Drama/Romance
    The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) - Drama/Period
    Quo Vadis (1951) - Drama/Period
    A Streetcar Named Desire (1951) - Drama/Melodrama
    A Star is Born (1954) - Drama/Melodrama
    King of Kings (1961) - Drama/Period
    Lolita (1962) - Drama/Romance
    The CIncinnati Kid (1965) - Drama/Sports
    Doctor Zhivago (1965) - Drama/Period
    Grand Prix (1966) - Drama/Sports
    Cool Hand Luke (1967) - Drama
    Musical: 11 films (12 if "A Star is Born" were moved to the musical genre)
    The Wizard of Oz (1939) - Musical
    Meet Me in St. Louis (1944) - Musical
    An American in Paris (1951) - Musical
    Hans Christian Andersen (1952) - Musical
    Singin' in the Rain (1952) - Musical
    Guys and Dolls (1955) - Musical
    Jailhouse Rock (1957) - Musical
    Gigi (1958) - Musical
    The Music Man (1962) - Musical
    Viva Las Vegas (1964) - Musical
    Camelot (1967) - Musical
    Action-Adventure: 8 films
    Mutiny on the Bounty (1935) - Action-Adventure/Military
    The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) - Action-Adventure/Epic
    Ben-Hur (1959) - Action-Adventure/Epic
    Ocean's 11 (1960) - Action-Adventure/Crime
    Mutiny on the Bounty (1962) - Action-Adventure/Military
    Bonnie and Clyde (1967) - Action-Adventure/Crime
    Bullitt (1968) - Action-Adventure/Crime
    Ice Station Zebra (1968) - Action-Adventure/Espionage
    Western: 5 films
    Fort Apache (1948) - Western/Epic
    The Searchers (1956) - Western/Epic
    Rio Bravo (1959) - Western/Epic
    How the West Was Won (1962) - Western/Epic
    The Wild Bunch (1969) - Western/Epic
    Suspense: 5 films
    Dial M for Murder (1954) - Suspense/Thriller
    The Bad Seed (1956) - Suspense/Thriller
    North by Northwest (1959) - Suspense/Thriller
    What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (1962) - Suspense/Thriller
    Dead Ringer (1964) - Suspense/Thriller
    War: 4 films
    Battle of the Bulge (1965) - War/World War II
    The Dirty Dozen (1967) - War/World War II
    The Green Berets (1968) - War/Vietnam
    Where Eagles Dare (1968) - War/World War II
    Film Noir: 2 films
    The Maltese Falcon (1941) - Film Noir
    Strangers on a Train (1951) - Film Noir
    Sci-Fi: 2 films
    Forbidden Planet (1956) - Sci-Fi/Space
    2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Sci-Fi/Space
    Fantasy: 1 film
    King Kong (1933) - Fantasy
    Comedy: 1 film
    The Incredible Mr. Limpet (1964) - Comedy/Slapstick
    Also, in some way, The Bad and the Beautiful is already on Blu-Ray. :P A small excerpt can be seen in "True Blood," from Season 1's Episode 10, which is on Blu-Ray. Surely that counts towards something. If only it didn't have commentary from Lafayette...

    And to get this back on topic, I decided to watch my DVD of Hans Christian Andersen tonight, which was a sheer delight (as usual), and only made me all the more eager for the Blu-Ray.
    I, too, would love to have Wuthering Heights or The Best Years of Our Lives on Blu-Ray as well. I hope that The Best Years of Our Lives comes with isolated score that was on the HBO disc. Also would love if they include the Army film "Diary of a Sergeant," which focused on Harold Russell, and led to his being cast as Homer Parrish. It's in the public domain, so surely it won't cost Warner a thing to include it (well, maybe to find the best elements and digitize it).
     
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    Jack Walder.

    Jack you are the same age as me and your post describes my upbringing in these matters to a "T". My education in these film matters, my learning curve, if you like, was thousands of miles in Australia and still is.

    Amongst those titles that were listed as possible Blu Goldwyns was missing one I want, Cantor's 2-strip Whoopee. I would even go for The Goldwyn Follies of 1938. I know a lot of people abhor The Ritz Bros but...enjoy the film nonetheless.

    Porgy & Bess is certainly desired but I have seen nothing yet to indicate Warners have this title in the package. Hopefully they have and the elements can be recovered to our current standards.
     
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    Some quick clarification: what I found insulting in his post is not "being gay" but what I took to be his attitude that "only homosexuals watch tmusicals", which I find patently absurd. And I reached that conclusion based on hearing other people say the same absurd thing. And, if you reread his post, he does seem to be condemming them for that reason. Look at his quote about "GREAT" movies (his emphasis, not mine) as if a musical can't be considered a great movie. Maybe I read too much in between the lines, maybe I didn't. I don't know. And I'll certainly concede that I should have found a different way to state what I was stating. Perhaps it would have been best to not address the homosexual comment he made and to simply address the absurd implication that musicals can't be great films when demonstrably they can.
    But yes, I took his comment to boil down to "only A likes B" and I found it absurd as I would find any "only A likes B" comment. Frankly, I don't like generalizations at all as they usually border on stereotype and/or prejudice.
    It was not my intent to insult homosexuals. I worked with and been friends with homosexuals and hold nothing against them. I just don't like genralizations, period. However, if I did insult you, know that that was not my intent and yes, I do apologize.
    I would still like to hear him defend or put up an argument for his statement.
     
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    Well folks with tongue firmly planted in cheek (ahem not on bit of innuendo in that either) it does become troubling when something is perceived and people get the wrong ideas on this forum. This is not the first time that a homosexual reference has been made expressly towards musicals. And it doesn’t need to be a distractor like it has. Take the music aspect out of it, and is it still a damn good film, well there you have it, can a good film be made better, that answer is a resounding YES. Old Eddie Murphy joke, just get Elvis to sing his lines, it will work for him.

    But what this forum needs to remember is that this is not a place to harass or condemn, and defiantly respect each other and their opinions, lots of good people make sacrifices every day to ensure that. You may not agree, but at least respect that the other individual has the right to their view. Least this become like the talk back threads on a different post. And while we are at it maybe it’s the stars and the setting, maybe it’s the era that the films are set in, maybe it’s the changing of the filmed experience, and Hollywood doesn’t make many musicals anymore in the traditional sense, with the exception of Disney films.

    Maybe just maybe the individual, that made the statement has never seen a musical that they are particularly fond of, if so, I will recommend Paint Your Wagon, how can you go wrong, Comedy, Western, Musical, and dear Lord, Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin both sing, hey WB how about that one too.


    I am happy that WB is bringing these Goldwyn films to light and hope to see many more from that list of 70 or so, Porgy & Bess, The Best Years Of Our Lives.
     
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    I'm also tired of that "if you like musicals you must be homosexual" statement. I enjoy musicals because there's nothing quite like a musical number done really well. Does that mean I'm homosexual? My wife and sons would be surprised to learn that. I also like action movies such as Terminator and Battleship. Does that mean I'm in my teens or early 20s? If so, what do I do about this gray hair? And how did I get sons 30 years old?
    PS. Paint Your Wagon is a Paramount flick, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's another Joshua Logan bomb, maybe his worst.
     
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    Well, what does this announcement indicate about WHV's future releases of Goldwyn titles. Guys and Dolls I get easilly. It is an extremely well known and popular Broadway musical that also pulls in Sinatra fans and maybe some Brando fans. Hans Christian Anderson is tougher as it seems much less well known or popular than many films WHV has yet to release on blu ray (especially Yankee Doodle Dandy). Perhaps WHV was able to use an existing HD master? Perhaps WHV is contractually obligated to release certain or a certain number of the Goldwyn titles on blu ray? That the later possibility seems somewhat likely here is extremely encouraging as I would really like to see blu ray releases of the Gary Cooper films, The Hurricane, Wuthering Heights, The Bishop's Wife, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty and The Princess and the Pirate. Time will tell.
     

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