Vic Pardo
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I'd have to disagree with you on this. The show was meant to be a mirror of the kinds of casual bigotries that permeated everyday life at the time, with Archie's comments just a bit more blunt than most people's would be. But the episodes I remember sought to puncture other kinds of bigotries as well, not just Archie's blue collar working class kind. For instance, Meathead is shown to be kind of a putz when he tries to tell a couple of black burglars (played by Cleavon Little and Demond Wilson) about understanding the problems in the ghetto because he took a sociology course. Or the time Archie is stuck in an elevator with a rich black man from Scarsdale (played by Roscoe Lee Browne) and a poor Puerto Rican man and his very pregnant wife (played by Hector Elizondo and Edith Diaz) and the rich black man is shown to be just as prejudiced towards the Puerto Rican couple as Archie is.jimmyjet said:jimmyjet, on 14 May 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:
I don't even want to get into this (especially since I'm not much of a fan of All In The Family) but AITF is not a bigoted show, it's a show about a bigot. There's a massive difference.
hi travis,
i stand 100% by what i said. please re-read it. the show displays a bunch of bigotry.
when you say that aitf is not a bigoted show, its a show about a bigot - i take that to mean that you are stating that the opinions of the owners of the show do not agree with the comments of its characters ?
well, i never said they did. i dont want to hear a bunch of bigoted comments, whether it be from archie or meathead. i dont find it the least bit funny. and how that show could ever be compared to ozzie or beaver is beyond my wildest thoughts !!
i find absolutely no value to it. the reason why ozzie, beaver, father knows best, etc. were popular is not because our families could match up to them. but because they stood for the values that people at the time TRIED TO MAINTAIN, even if most families fell short of it.
aitf is just a bunch of stupid, bigoted comments. if they wanted to make satirical fun of bigoted thought, one 2-hour movie would suffice. and maybe i could have enjoyed it, in that frame. but every week, for a buch of years ?
i have never seen it actually stated by anyone, because it hits too close to home for most most people - but one reason why it was so popular was because it allowed people to feel better about their own bigotries. in other words, i aint half as bad as archie, so i must be okay type of reasoning/rationalizing.
I used to watch the show with black friends and their differing reactions were quite telling. I remember one episode where Archie tells Charles Durning that his black neighbor Henry Jefferson (Mel Stewart) is "one of the good ones" and my black friend's mother laughing uproariously at that, thoroughly understanding that that's how people think. We hadn't seen this kind of honest treatment of the subject on TV before and that's why the show made a big impact in its early years. As a New Yorker, I always thought the show reflected facets of urban reality that I hadn't seen treated on TV before.
Granted, the show received its share of criticism back then. I remember a scathing critique by Laura Z. Hobson (Gentleman's Agreement) in The New York Times where she took the show to task for not being honest enough because it refused to use the term, "nigger." She had a point there.