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US DOJ Plans Anti-Trust against iBooks

Discussion in 'Apple' started by mattCR, Mar 8, 2012.

  1. mattCR

    mattCR Well-Known Member
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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203961204577267831767489216.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

    The accusation being that they have colluded for Price Fixing.




    Steve Job's autobiography is apparently amongst the most damning evidence




     
  2. DaveF

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    Interesting.
     
  3. Steve_Tk

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    "The Justice Department has warned Apple Inc. and five of the biggest U.S. publishers"
    Yet every story I've seen has the title Apple. If you didn't know better, you would believe Apple was possible the only wrong do'ers.
     
  4. mattCR

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    Well, because Apple is accused of coming up with and suggesting the plan.. and Steve Jobs basically tells how he pitched it in the autobiography then worked to shove it down Amazon and other's throats
     
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    My bigger complaint with iBooks is they continue to make me give money to Kindle because it takes forever to get some titles. Like Sword of Truth series still missing the middle books.
     
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    Because "Apple" sell stories. "Hachette Book Group" does not :)
     
  7. Sam Posten

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    Suit could land today:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/10/us-apple-ebooks-idUSBRE8391JW20120410
     
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    Suit filed.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-11/u-s-files-antitrust-lawsuit-against-apple-hachette.html
    http://www.imore.com/2012/04/11/apple-hit-antitrust-lawsuit-ebook-pricing/
     
  9. Patrick_S

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    3 of the 5 publishers have already settled with the DOJ while the other 2 appear to be going to court.
    Apple, with their corporate culture will surely follow them into court.
     
  10. Michael_K_Sr

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    Most of the reputable antitrust experts I've seen quoted in the last 24 hours feels that, based on the details in the suit, the government's case against Apple is pretty weak.
     
  11. Sam Posten

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    Apple says it is busing monopolies not makign them:
    http://9to5mac.com/2012/04/12/160160/#/vanilla/discussion/embed
    To be clear: I don't think the agency model is wrong. I think colluding for price fixing is wrong. Not sure how you can have one without the other but since those who are settling appear to be signing up for sme kind of modified agency model we will see.
     
  12. Sam Posten

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    Ah hah!
    http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2012/04/understanding-amazons-strategy.html
     
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    Hmmm....
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/business/media/amazon-low-prices-disguise-a-high-cost.html?_r=1&ref=technology
     
  14. Ted Todorov

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    Totally agree. Just look at what Amazon did to Delicious Monster (Delicious Library), Bruji (DVDPedia) and a number of others with iPhone apps -- totally anti-competative behavior.

    So far as that "DRM is dead" quote: Gruber's take from the latest Talk Show, is that it is unlikely to happen, as the book publishers still subscribe to the magical thinking that there will be a technological solution to online-piracy -- only ever stronger DRM will do. We'll see.
     
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    And so it begins:
    http://paidcontent.org/2012/04/24/macmillans-torforge-goes-drm-free/
    And:
    http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2012/04/more-on-drm-and-ebooks.html
     
  16. Sam Posten

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    Here's the final arguments from both Apple and the DOJ:
    http://allthingsd.com/20130620/heres-apples-closing-slide-deck-in-e-book-case-and-the-dojs-too/

    At first I thought the government had a pretty weak case, but they make a compelling argument in their summary. Here's the thing tho, there was already a case of anticompetitiveness and price dumping going on, and it was the publishers getting screwed. No other competitors to the eBook market had a chance of fixing that and the publishers took advantage of Apple's entry. I can't wait to see how this plays out.
     
  17. Ted Todorov

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    If Apple ends up winning, they should use this case in their Keynote commercials. Amazing how ugly PowerPoint looks side by side. According to the NY Times, Keynote proved itself a lot more functional as well. The main reason I've preferred Mac to DOS and Windows all these years — a belief that software and what it produces need not be ugly.
     
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    Well it's clear which side values getting it's message across in clear and concise, digestible details and which just throws shit up on a page because they A. haven't been taught how to properly use their tools and B. don't give a shit what stuff looks like to begin with.

    You can make great looking powerpoint slides. You can mangle Keynote to look like shit. It's not just about the tools themselves.
     
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    Apple lost, wasn't hard to see that one coming, I called that one from day one. It never looks good when several of your co-defendants decide to settle out of court right away.
     
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    This round. It's not over.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/apple-e-books-highlights-from-the-judges-ruling/2013/07/10/9ca52d5a-e968-11e2-aa9f-c03a72e2d342_story.html
     

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