CBS is top notch with the Star Trek series on Blu-ray...so we could hope for that level of quality!Originally Posted by Craig Beam
Oh, great. CBS/Paramount. We can look forward to music replacements.
CBS is top notch with the Star Trek series on Blu-ray...so we could hope for that level of quality!Originally Posted by Craig Beam
Oh, great. CBS/Paramount. We can look forward to music replacements.
The music cues for The Twilight Zone are well documented and even appear in books on the series so there's absolutely no reason to worry about a situation like The Fugitive.Originally Posted by Craig Beam
Oh, great. CBS/Paramount. We can look forward to music replacements.
Sorry Travis, but I don't share your optimism. After CBS/Paramount's butchery of The Fugitive (and others shows, too), I have no reason to believe that The Twilight Zone is immune. The fact that the music cues are well documented is by no means a guarantee. I'll be pleased as punch to be proven wrong, but I'll wait for reviews before I ever buy anything from CBS/Paramount again.Originally Posted by TravisR
The music cues for The Twilight Zone are well documented and even appear in books on the series so there's absolutely no reason to worry about a situation like The Fugitive.
I understand being gunshy but in the case of The Fugitive, they didn't have the cue sheets so they chose to replace the music because they didn't want to risk a lawsuit. For The Twilight Zone, they have the cue sheets and know who owns what so there's no reason that they would have to replace the music.Originally Posted by Craig Beam
Sorry Travis, but I don't share your optimism. After CBS/Paramount's butchery of The Fugitive (and others shows, too), I have no reason to believe that The Twilight Zone is immune. The fact that the music cues are well documented is by no means a guarantee. I'll be pleased as punch to be proven wrong, but I'll wait for reviews before I ever buy anything from CBS/Paramount again.
Thank God we got the Definitive Editions on DVD.
Again, the knowledge of who-owns-which-cues isn't the issue. The issue is: If CBS doesn't own a cue, they're more likely to replace it than pay for it.Originally Posted by TravisR
I understand being gunshy but in the case of The Fugitive, they didn't have the cue sheets so they chose to replace the music because they didn't want to risk a lawsuit. For The Twilight Zone, they have the cue sheets and know who owns what so there's no reason that they would have to replace the music.
I think a better question is what might happen to the extras from the Definitive Editions. If the supplements are owned by Image, I wonder if Paramount will bother licensing them for the Blu-rays.
I'll give you that CBS most likely doesn't own every cue but I still think worrying about it is like worrying that the sun won't rise tomorrow- it's possible but what are the odds? If they pull music they don't own, they still have to pay someone to record new music. Can a 50 year old library cue cost that much?Originally Posted by Craig Beam
And if that's indeed the case, then the question is: Is CBS/Paramount going to pay for it, or are they going to yank it out and replace it?
Billy, if you (or anyone else) can point to a credible source that definitively states that EVERY SINGLE CUE used throughout the series was in fact owned outright by CBS, I'll happily forgive your condescending tone. Otherwise, I'll stick with my cautious outlook on the situation.
I'm in the process of making a feature film at the moment. I had had considered using vintage 40's/50's library music, but looking into broadcast/DVD and theatrical rights, I've found that it would actually be cheaper to hire a composer and a 30 member orchestra to do original music.Originally Posted by TravisR
I'll give you that CBS most likely doesn't own every cue but I still think worrying about it is like worrying that the sun won't rise tomorrow- it's possible but what are the odds? If they pull music they don't own, they still have to pay someone to record new music. Can a 50 year old library cue cost that much?
EDIT: Doug, TZ did re-use their own music but they also used a fair amount of music from other series as well.
They did reuse episode-specific scores in other episodes ("To Serve Man," for example, is scored almost entirely with cues from the earlier "Back There"), but they also utilized a TON of library cues not written specifically for the series.Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
None of the Perry Mason discs have had music replaced.
In addition The Twilight Zone is one of the few CBS shows that used very little tracked music from the CBS music library. In fact I believe that The Twilight Zone only used music that was written for that show even when tracking music from another episode.
The major difference between The Fugitive and The Twilight Zone, is that Zone was actually produced in house at CBS, where Fugitive was independently produced.
There is unlikely to be an issue with the music for this show.
Doug
I do now that they had far more original music in the show than for instance Perry Mason. On Mason about the only original music on the show is the short intro bits that include the Perry Mason theme. Almost all of the incidental music on the show is tracked from the CBS library, and in fact includes a fair amount of music tracked from The Twilight Zone in later episodes.Originally Posted by TravisR
I'll give you that CBS most likely doesn't own every cue but I still think worrying about it is like worrying that the sun won't rise tomorrow- it's possible but what are the odds? If they pull music they don't own, they still have to pay someone to record new music. Can a 50 year old library cue cost that much?
EDIT: Doug, TZ did re-use their own music but they also used a fair amount of music from other series as well. That being said, I don't how their use of music compares to other series of the time.
I adore the music in the CBS library (especially the Herrmann stuff), and I'd love to be able to score my film with it.... but there's no way in hell I could afford it. It's depressing.Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
I'm in the process of making a feature film at the moment. I had had considered using vintage 40's/50's library music, but looking into broadcast/DVD and theatrical rights, I've found that it would actually be cheaper to hire a composer and a 30 member orchestra to do original music.
Doug
Yeah that sounds typical of a CBS production. But The Fugitive is not a CBS production and I'm not sure it is fair to compare The Twilight Zone to the situation with The Fugitive.Originally Posted by Craig Beam
They did reuse episode-specific scores in other episodes ("To Serve Man," for example, is scored almost entirely with cues from the earlier "Back There"), but they also utilized a TON of library cues not written specifically for the series.
Yeah even libraries like DeWolfe and Valentino are really outrageous. And I'm really looking for a vintage sound for my film.Originally Posted by Craig Beam
I adore the music in the CBS library (especially the Herrmann stuff), and I'd love to be able to score my film with it.... but there's no way in hell I could afford it. It's depressing.
Guys, all I'm saying --- It's not outside the realm of possibility that some minor music substitutions could happen. Is it likely? Probably not. But it's not impossible either. And The Twilight Zone is by far my favorite series of all time, so I'm a bit protective of it.Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Yeah that sounds typical of a CBS production. But The Fugitive is not a CBS production and I'm not sure it is fair to compare The Twilight Zone to the situation with The Fugitive.
Doug
I hear you there, but given that the show was licensed to Image including the isolated scores on the DVDs, I doubt there will be issues.Originally Posted by Craig Beam
Guys, all I'm saying --- It's not outside the realm of possibility that some minor music substitutions could happen. Is it likely? Probably not. But it's not impossible either. And The Twilight Zone is by far my favorite series of all time, so I'm a bit protective of it.
Funny!!! But to be fair, he actually did a good job with what he was given. I wouldn't hesitate to hire him to write an original score. Its just unfortunate that had to go in that direction with that show.Originally Posted by Craig Beam