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To All HTF Members: The "HD-DVD ONE FORMAT ONLY!" campaign begins...with YOUR help!

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Ronald Epstein, Aug 29, 2002.

  1. Ronald Epstein

    Ronald Epstein Administrator
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    Those of you that are readers of The Digital Bits,
    surely are aware of the industries move to
    introduce High-Definition DVD to the
    consumer marketplace.
    This introduction of a superior DVD format comes
    with the usual wranglings between several major
    manufacturers (Sony and Panasonic; Warner Brothers;
    Toshiba) who are geared to start yet another format
    war which only results in the consumer being hurt.
    Home Theater Forum has joined in a campaign
    alongside other Home Theater/DVD websites to urge
    all these companies to come together, sit down, and
    decide on ONE HD-DVD FORMAT. If they don't
    do this, we as consumers will be faced with at least
    three separate formats with any one's future uncertain.
    It is the opinion of this forum that the TOSHIBA
    format is the best format on the table. It uses
    the blue laser technology, is backward compatable
    with today's DVD standards and it promises to be
    home recordable. But we urge you all to read the
    articles posted on THE DIGITAL BITS about
    all 3 proposed formats.
    The articles are available here:
    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#hdwar
    Also....
    We would like to create a UNIFIED WEBPAGE
    that will act as an official website for our campaign.
    This website should not only list the specifications
    of all three currently proposed formats, but should
    urge these manufacturers to break their barriers
    and come together to create ONE HD-DVD FORMAT.
    If anyone out there is interested in putting together
    a webpage please email: billhunt@thedigitalbits.com
    So far, www.dvdsite.org has volunteered to host
    the campaign page. As you can see, there are no
    egos here from site to site -- just people that
    want to get a message out.
    Any website that wants to join in this cause should
    copy the above banners and post them on your website.
    We also welcome discussion in this thread. It is
    very important that this discussion helps all of
    us to come up with ideas of how to further promote
    this campaign.
    The Internet has a voice. If we don't encourage
    manufacturers to introduce the next generation of
    DVD as a single format, all of us are going to suffer.
    Please discuss. Please help.
     
  2. Patrick McCart

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    I added the banner to my website's main page.
     
  3. Matthew Furtek

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    One of the key points for me is that the format be backward compatible. People who aren't home theater enthusiasts will not want to buy a new player that won't play their old DVDs, and if HD-DVD is to succeed it must not just be for home theater enthusiasts.

    Matthew Furtek
     
  4. Robert_eb

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    Great thread. Let just hope it works.
     
  5. Chris M

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    I added that to my home page beside my home theater link:
    www.edival.net
    Chris.
     
  6. TyC

    TyC Stunt Coordinator

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    This is an excellent campaign. I hope that the consumer's wishes will be honored.

    I am also in favor of the blue-ray technology.
     
  7. Joseph Bolus

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    I also echo that backward compatibility with the current DVD standard *must* be a primary goal for any unified HD-DVD format.

    After that, the format should be able to provide a high bandwith (like D-VHS), and be capable of recording at a much higher density than today's standard DVD. The higher the recording density, the less software compression will be required to achieve the desired HDTV picture.

    Since the Toshiba/NEC proposal seems, on the surface at least, to meet all these goals, I say let's get behind it.
     
  8. Jeff Ulmer

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    So far the Toshiba/NEC proposal make the most sense to me too, but I am also hopeful that FMD will become a reality. Red laser requires far too much compromise for the next generation format, since we'll need new players anyway. I want to see LESS compression, not more.
     
  9. george kaplan

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    I hope that the one website for the one format has one on-line petition which would I'm guessing would have thousands upon thousands of signatures and might actually carry some weight moreso than the fragmented petitions that pop up here and there from time to time.
     
  10. RexW

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    Great unified start on everyone's part. I'll do my best on this side of the ocean.
     
  11. ErichH

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    Go Blue - Down With Red(can you say betamax)
    I'll help make as much noise as possible for Blue!

    Great Idea Ron!

    Eric
     
  12. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Executive Producer

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    It seems the Toshiba format is indeed the best compromise between accessibility and quality. Still, we need to make noise not just for ONE format, but the RIGHT format. I'd rather wait for the format wars to run their course then get stuck with a high-compression Red-laser format that doesn't offer the quality jump that HD-DVD needs to offer.
     
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    Says on the Digital Bits that Warner Bros is the one pushing for red laser technology. What it doesn't say is that they also want everyone to put the discs in snapcases.
     
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  15. Eric F

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    As I see it, the HD-DVD "backwards compatibiliy" question is equivalent to the new SACD and DVD-Audio formats.

    Should every new HD-DVD be a hybrid, and [maybe] sacrifice a little on the HD quality side in the beginning, or should there be a totally new HD-DVD format with all new HD-DVD players mandated to play back both the old and the new formated discs?

    If we take a look at the introduction of SACD and DVD-A formats into the market I think we have our answer. If every SACD or DVD-A from the beginning was a hybrid, there wouldn't be the kind of confusion and lack of interest the public is exhibiting now. If Sony is going to make every CD they produce from now on a hybrid (and charge the same price as a standard CD) SACD will clearly be the winner.

    This is how the HD-DVD roll-out needs to be handled. Then, after general market acceptence they can gradually eliminate the standard DVD element from the discs.
     
  16. Adam_S

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    I agree that the toshiba format is best. Definitely ONE RIGHT FORMAT. less compression is definitely best.

    Is this the right place to say that putting MLP or whatever it is the lossless surround on DVDA is the preference for the sound features we desire. Rather than requiring low bitrate compressed Dolby on every DVD, require a lossless soundtrack on ever HDDVD

    Adam
     
  17. Wayne Bundrick

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    What we're hoping for is for history to repeat itself. Originally there were two competing formats on the drawing board, one group led by Toshiba and Matsushita, the other by Sony and Philips. Various other companies also had an active role or otherwise chose sides, for example Warner was a big part of the Toshiba camp. Somehow a group of computer companies led by IBM decided that a format war is not a good thing, and they told Sony and Toshiba that they wanted a single unified format to become the successor to the CD-ROM. Sony and Toshiba agreed to team up and the rest is history. We now have a single standard for DVD-Video and it is the result of a collaborative effort of about ten different companies. DVD would not be what it is today without that collaboration.

    Unfortunately, the spirit of collaboration evaporated soon after the DVD-Video standard was finished, when some of the companies chose to develop their own recordable/rewritable DVD formats. We now have DVD-RAM, DVD-R/DVD-RW, DVD+R/DVD+RW, all of them with numerous compatibility quirks.

    It happened before, it can happen again. We need that collaboration again.
     
  18. Dan Hitchman

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    Whatever happens HD-DVD needs to have at least a lossless compressed track for the primary language of the film or TV show. I'd hate to have more space available only to be stuck with DTS and Dolby Digital format wars again (besides being lossy compressed, non-audiophile formats). Like DVD-Audio, DTS and Dolby Digital should only be used for commentary and/or backwards compatible tracks.
    I'm all for LPCM (you'd never get all sides to agree on using DSD) at a 24 bit word length and at least 96 kHz (192 kHz for all channels would be best so we don't have the old DVD-Audio model of the more channels you have the lesser the quality) sampling for up to 8 channel discrete surround.
    It's high time movies and music media allow us to get the full sonic capabilities out of (many of) our expensive pre-amps, amplifiers, and speakers.
    High Definition DVD should mean just that... for both audio and video, not just video.
    The player should have laser pickups for both super high density (blue, ultraviolet, whatever) and normal red laser DVD playback, but the HD-DVD disc's capabilities itself should not be compromised for backwards compatibility.
    Dan
     
  19. Ed Vandeweerd

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    Thanks for doing this. I would support Toshiba's Initiative as it incorporates Blue Laser Technology and is backwards compatible. Our mutual passions for DVD and Laser are expensive enough without having to yet again move to a whole new format and replace our respective Libraries.
     
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