Aaron Silverman
Senior HTF Member
Cameron obviously wanted to use the MOST VERSATILE AVAILABLE sound format. That's why the new edition has 5.1 sound and not 2.0!
On the new DVD she claims that shadows have been added to obscure part of what was visible in the original release.
OK, that's it! Who has the recall petition??
M.
Carl, I was not speaking for the vast majority in that statement, I was speaking to US, the hometheater crowd who do think that changing the OAR of a film is doing harm. I think it's fairly obvious what I meant.
That's exactly my point. Why weren't you speaking for the vast majority? Their opinions don't count in this matter?
I don't understand how this thread has turned into a discussion about "purists" and comparing a new sound mix to pan and scan, or directors cuts.
That's simple, and it's happened before. While there are some who do not like the new mix because (to borrow your phrase) "they have gone overboard with it", there are others (including me) who do not share that evaluation and feel that the original feel/mood hasn't been changed, and may even have been enhanced.
This is fundamentally a difference of taste, and while differences of taste can be debated, it's virtually impossible to prove them right or wrong. What inevitably happens in these threads about remixes, though, is that one or more people who dislike a new mix want to reach beyond matters of taste for some sort of "objective" justification for their views. And that's usually when the thread goes downhill.
M.
This is fundamentally a difference of taste, and while differences of taste can be debated, it's virtually impossible to prove them right or wrong. What inevitably happens in these threads about remixes, though, is that one or more people who dislike a new mix want to reach beyond matters of taste for some sort of "objective" justification for their views. And that's usually when the thread goes downhill.
Very well said. And I guess that is pretty much what I was getting at...i.e., why cant this thread simply be a discussion of which mix is better, based on our individual preferences, instead of using arguments making analogies to Pan and Scan or Directors Cuts? I think that was the original intent at the beginning of this thread, not to discuss whether doing a new mix is proper, but whether THIS one was done right!?
a gunshot fired outdoors no longer has a huge boomey echo to it, etc...). The music was much more immersive, and the track always seemed to have more 'life' to it.
Interesting, as Ahnold's giant hand gun now sounds like a pistol with a silencer, even INDOORS (whoosh, whoosh, whoosh) and music is missing.
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...the original mono track was hardly the last bastion of high fidelity recording.
Classic Gillespie.
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If you prefer the original mono soundtrack,then by all means watch the movie that way!!!
Don't worry, we will!
Does that mean that we can't discuss the merits of the new 5.1 remix? This is a discussion forum about Home Theater isn't it?
Why is this thread getting so heated? Don't they provide the mono soundtrack also? If you prefer the original mono soundtrack,then by all means watch the movie that way!!!
The problem is, and this has been mentioned numerous times throughout this thread and others... The included mono soundtrack is lacking in bass, suffers from distortion and sounds vastly inferior to the original mono track on the first DVD version, the laserdiscs, and even the VHS versions. That is not acceptable. We now have a choice of watching an inferior, non-anamorphic transfer along with a damn good mono soundtrack, or watch a superior transfer, but with a mono soundtrack that sounds aweful. Or, the remix, which many of us can't stand.
It just amazes me that so much effort was put into this release, but yet they couldn't even get the stupid original soundtrack right. It's infuriating to those of us who hate the remix.
And no, I do not hate all remixes. I like 90% of them. The 90% that sound like the originals, only in 5.1. The other 10% don't sound anything like the originals and it is terribly distracting.
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