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Discussion in 'After Hours Lounge (Off Topic)' started by Chris PC, Jul 24, 2003.
Here's a thought. I would plea bargain with the people responsible and have them film themselves acting out an almost identical, or similarly amussing bit of footage and have them put that tape on the internet. Trouble is, the part about having something you did get put on the internet "without you knowing" could not be dupliated as part of the payback. Thats what makes it funny in a sick way. That is why the kid has a case to sue the people. It would be rather difficult to live something like that down when teenagers are so superficial and judgemental of their peers. Hard to say what he and his family should do.
I disagree with your view of the bullies. You cannot legitamize or justify their treatment of people and their behaviour by saying its a part of life. When faced with bullies, you are wise to realize that they are part of life, but there is a fine line between teasing and assault. Nobody should have to put up with personal harm in any way, and just because they aren't well equipped to avoid being picked on, or unable to physically fight back, as these kids are often hurt physically, that doesn't mean its ok. Your comment "They shouldn't leave him alone" is totally nonesense. Bullying is wrong at every level and it makes no sense to condone it.
I wonder if I'm part of the problem as I view these videos. Maybe I shouldn't get such a kick out of it. Its not exactly something I'd want to have happen to me, and the main thing is that he didn't do it to himself, someone did it to him.
From the story linked to in a previous post:
The Razas are now seeking $225,000 in damages from the parents of four teenagers: Michaël Caron, François Labarre, Jérôme Laflamme and Jean-Michel Rheault.
They say the four stole the video from a school filing cabinet where Ghyslain had stored a video camera he was using for a student project.
The lawsuit says the four young men then digitized the video before sending it out on the Internet in April, with messages inviting people to make insulting remarks about it.
The statement of claim includes lengthy excerpts that it says come from Internet chats in May between the pranksters.
Complete with misspellings, bad grammar and cyber-style acronyms, the exchanges are used in the statement of claim as evidence that the boys lacked remorse. They also brag in them that they evaded attempts by school officials to find the culprits behind Ghyslain's misfortunes.
In the excerpts from Internet chats filed in court, the four appear to be plotting ways to get the gifts sent to another address so they can keep the iPod for themselves.
I think there is a certain limit of what would constitute normal bullying, and it would seem clear that these teenagers have crossed it. They didn't just publish this video for the school's amusement, anyone across the globe with internet access can see Ghyslain's awkwardness. Is 225,000 CDN too much of a consequence? That will be for the court to decide, but these boys desperately need to be punished. I can only imagine what these little monsters will be like as adults.
I only hope that that this poor kid isn't permanently mentally-affected by this incident. It sounds pretty bad, though, in the newspaper article.
My parents tought me this when I was young, and it seems ever more appropriate in today's internet society:
"Whenever you are to do a thing, though it can never be known but to yourself, ask yourself how you would act were all the world looking at you, and act accordingly." -Thomas Jefferson
Maybe the kid should sue his parents for not teaching him that...
The above quote means that your public face should mirror your private face. It doesn't mean that you should never use the rest room because, after all, the whole world might be watching.
Should I follow you around trying to get a picture of you picking your nose, and mail the picture to all of your friends co-workers? I think this is different than Jefferson's intention.
And I again want to point out that the kid did nothing wrong. When viewed out of context, it can be embarrassing, but no different than me catching you picking your nose.
Mike, I see plenty of psychological scarring in your children's future, and it won't be at the hand of schoolyard bullies. Something tells me you'll do quite a good job of providing it yourself
Honestly, I do feel bad for this kid. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, but I really wish he and his parents had a better sense of humor about this. I know a kid who is openly overweight and he's funny as hell because he does stuff like in this video all the time for the laughs. If this kid took advantage of his minor celebrity status (he was on Fox News at one point) then he could really hit it big and probably do something with this.
Wow this kid sure is controversial! I think MTV should put him on their next awards show as a cameo. Have him do his patented moves.
It's really sad that the kid has been affected so much by this. I hope he ends up OK.
If he was being bulled at school then the school should have taken care of it - end of story. Any school that doesn't is irresponsible and incompetent.
That Starwarskid2 video (with the lightsaber and Drunken Jedi Master title) is hysterical. The original one is just some kid messing about but the revamped one had me in fits of laughter. Very nicely done.
Kind of makes me wonder though - who's the more geekish? The geek with the fake lightsaber or the geek or turns it into a real one?
Note on bullying:
I was the skinny, short, and the only visible minority kid in a school full of white kids. I was bullied and picked on of course. It all stopped when I flew into a rage in grade 5 and tried to kill any kid that I could get my hands on. Unfortunately I was too short to catch any, but all of them left me alone after that. The bullies saw the red in my eyes, and knew that I would stop at nothing to get them. The bullying completely stopped. I was never bullied again for the rest of my life -- once you've stood up for yourself, the would-be bullies can smell it and will forever leave you alone. Of course, YMMV.
Doing nothing and just "taking it" is a useless tactic on the playground. Taking revenge behind their backs, a la Revenge of the Nerds style, is also useless because the bullies will not associate their punishment with the crime (like punishing a dog that pooped all over the carpet a week later is useless...because the dog doesn't know why it was punished).
As an adult, you don't need to play these schoolyard games, because you have the law to back you up. In older, more violent times, you would challenge someone to a duel to resolve any adulthood bullying. Nowadays, you sue someone.
Another comment about parents and raising kids:
Peers appear have more to do with your upbringing than your parents -- at least according to the latest scientific evidence. In short, you don't have as much influence on your kids than you think, if your kid spends a lot of time socializing on the playground. However, if you never have the kid out of your sight, and micromange him, then you're diminishing his chances of being accepted on the playground -- but you'll have plenty of influence on the kid's (screwed up) playground life.
If you would like a complete bibliography just PM me...
Disclaimer: My study of human behavior is a hobby of mine -- I try to ensure all scientific references I make have been peer-reviewed and from reliable sources, but just remember that science is about changing your mind through evidence, so new evidence could come to light at any time that overturns the current thought.
This is a fascinating thread which includes issues of parenting, peer pressure and peer abuse, teenage resilience... But, Mike, I guess my comment would be that, if SWK is suffering due to the elaborate and mean-spirited "pranks" of four peers, they should face consequences. Part of the good parent child-rearing you dwell on requires that kids be accountable for stupid decisions and thoughtless behavior, otherwise they will becomes sociopathic to a lesser or greater degree as they've not been taught to empathize, and that their actions affect others emotionally. You have clearly taken sides in this matter against the victim and with the perpetrators, in the name of "Boys will be boys" and "Kids need to learn to take the abuse." You advocate that it's okay for the victim to suffer, but that punishing the kids (and their parents) who posted the video is not appropriate. But why should anyone sit still for abuse? That lets the perps off the hook so they can continue on their merry way toward worse behavior down the road, while looking forward to little or no opposition to their cruelty. It is evident these kids were truly trying to make SWK'S life miserable, and did. Now they must pay a price. Perhaps they should all be sentenced to a year of community service, working with peers who have learning disabilities or physical handicaps. Something that will instill in them the concept of empathy and that all actions have reactions and therefore consequences. Just an observation.
When I first saw the video a few months ago, I thought it looked funny, but this situation has gone way out of control. I've had a change of heart, and now I think I'll defend this guy.
Okay, the guy in the video is not the most athletic I've ever seen, but I'd sooner have the world populated with folks like him who are at least trying to be creative (regardless of how successful they are at this) than folks who sit round sneering at anything not in their little clique or mindset.
The treatment this kid has received is stupidly out of hand, IMHO. I think asking an adult to be brave about this would be asking a lot, but a teenager ... sheesh! Before we get any more advice about how he should just face up to this, just stop and *think*. This isn't just facing a few kids at school, it's a worldwide community. I seriously doubt if anyone on this forum would stand up to this pressure without feeling adverse effects.
In short, why don't you guys try a little *sympathy*?