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The Dark Knight changing Aspect Ratio feels like a Joke

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by EnricoE, Nov 24, 2008.

  1. Edwin-S

    Edwin-S Well-Known Member

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    Except we're not getting the IMAX process with this director approved version. So what you are telling me is that Nolan has now approved a third reframing of his "vision". We are getting neither the original IMAX presentation nor the standard theatrical version, but a version that the director has approved because he likes shifting aspect ratios. So much for director's vision. His vision is whatever is expedient.
    If he wanted shifting aspect ratios then he should have made sure that what was presented in IMAX is presented on BD. If people had to put up with pillarboxing then too bad. The BD should also have the standard theatrical version for people who don't want to watch the IMAX version. Regardless of the director's approval, what the BD shouldn't have, as the only option, is some half-assed non-theatrical version where the horizontal black bars disappear at times.
     
  2. Nicholas Martin

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    I'd say to those who haven't actually seen this disc, stop bitching until you do. Then if you don't like what you see complain then, but until that time there isn't much point. You are assuming you won't like it but it may surprise you, just as those who do want to see it this way (like myself) may end up NOT liking the shifting AR.
    Long story short, just wait and see.
     
  3. Brent Hutto

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    I guess it's all good until we get a director whose "vision" is to give the focus puller the day off and let his 3-year-old play with yanking the lens back and forth while he's shooting. Unless it's in a parody or otherwise having fun with the medium in an less-than-serious setting I don't have much patience with directors calling attention to their movie-making technology as an end to itself.

    Maybe Mr. Nolan is trying to one-up Storaro in taking the mickey with aspect-ratio shenanigans.
     
  4. EnricoE

    EnricoE Well-Known Member

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    let me say it this: the film was presented in widescreen through it's theatrical run and that's the version i want. if you don't mind these ar changes, good for you. i find them rather annoying especially with the knowledge that there is a true widescreen version of the movie out there. warner bros should give a freaking choice.
     
  5. Carlo Medina

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    I would really caution people about assuming all "halos" are the product of edge enhancement. I saw this movie three times in three different theaters (Mann Village, well known/respected, a new multiplex in Century City, and in iMax at The Bridge in Culver City) and saw halos in all versions. Sometimes halos are an artifact resulting in how the film was shot, and can vary scene by scene.
    In fact, I clearly remember my thought when I saw it was "wonder how long it will take before charges of EE creep up in the BD/DVD transfer of this film." And I made a mental note to remind myself to post this as soon as one crept up that I noticed.
    I know we all have our standard whipping boys (EE/DNR/Grain removal) but I would caution simply badmouthing a transfer based on halos seen on a screengrab or two because I can tell you as a fact that I observed them in the theatrical prints (and all three were film, not DLP projections).
     
  6. Chris S

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    This I can respect as not everyone has the same tastes. It doesn't make this version of the film any less valid even though it may not be the one you prefer. And that's fine. But if you ever get a chance to check out the IMAX version I highly recommend doing so. It might just change your mind.
     
  7. Jesse Blacklow

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    Until we get the "OMG Look at that SCREENSHOT" mentality out, we're going to have to deal with this, as you can see. Sadly, it's getting more and more difficult to convince people who have dug their heels in and put fingers in their ears that they actually have to wait until seeing the film in motion before they start spamming the threads with how horrible these films must look.
     
  8. Paul Arnette

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    Thanks, Bob, I was not aware of that. I should like to see the IMAX version of this movie, so perhaps I will get a chance when it is re-released in January.
    That said, I am more than willing to give this disc the benefit of the doubt, but it seems ridiculous that the IMAX scenes aren't even in their proper aspect ratios. It certainly does dilute the 'artistic integrity' angle being used to defend the changing aspect ratio decision.
    Also, I find it odd that DVD Beaver wouldn't have included at least one screen grab from an IMAX scene. [​IMG]
     
  9. Brandon Conway

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    All that matters to me is that Nolan approved the Blu-ray release. And I know he did.
     
  10. Carlo Medina

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    Unfortunately it goes even beyond seeing the film in motion because if the halos are there as a result of the filmmaking process, then it will still be visible in motion (as I saw in the Dark Knight showings I went to) and so should be there in the BD transfer. But people will see it and jump to the conclusion that edge-enhancement has been performed.
    Generally if EE has been used, it will permeate the entire transfer and not just a few scenes (see original Stargate DVD transfer). If it's only in a few, select scenes one really has to be familiar with the source material and 99% of the time I (as with most people) only see the movie in the theater once and that doesn't qualify. I just happened to enjoy TDK enough to see it 3 times to become this familiar with it.
     
  11. Vincent_P

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    Actually a few of the DVD Beaver screen grabs are from IMAX scenes, but they cropped them to 2.35:1. All the shots of the bank robbers in masks, for example, are from the IMAX opening sequence.
    Vincent
     
  12. Carlo Medina

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    If you want a sneak preview of how the iMax scenes looks, just go to the Dark Knight Prologue in your BD of Batman Begins. [​IMG]
     
  13. Paul Arnette

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    Except those scenes are apparently in the correct aspect ratio. [​IMG]
    Actually, I found some great screencaps in that other forum that do not appear to be compressed like DVD Beaver's. There are some good comparisons between the BB BD DK prologue and DK BD IMAX scenes in terms of color timing, which presumably wasn't finished for the BB release, and the aforementioned aspect ratio issue.
    Of course, there is the usual flurry of EE acusations being bandied about there as well. Oh, well. You always have to take the good with the bad, right? [​IMG]
     
  14. Carlo Medina

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    [​IMG]
    My Dark Knight Prologue is in 1.78:1 (roughly), as it apparently is on the upcoming TDK BD. The original Imax ratio is 1.44:1, right? So it's "wrong" on both. [​IMG]
     
  15. Paul Arnette

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    I don't know what the exact aspect ratio is on the BB BD, but the DK prologue scenes are pillar boxed on my copy. The same prologue scenes look cropped on the DK BD (i.e. no pillar boxing).
     
  16. Jason Seaver

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    , the DVD just stays at 2.35:1 for the entire length because the alternatives were giving the trick away from the start by having blank space all around the image or having the image get smaller when the director's intent was to show the world getting larger.
     
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    Same here. While I'd love to have the theatrical versions available for those that want them, Nolan's approval on this release makes this presentation just as valid as any other.
     
  18. Paul Arnette

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    That's an interesting take, and I appreciate you sharing it. That is not something I considered. Regardless, this is sure to be a very controversial release, and, unfortunately, it does not appear that it will be strictly relegated to the changing aspect ratio issue. The thread on that other forum is hoot, but it is also a bit disconcerting particular the color timing difference shown in the 'police assembly' scene when compared same scene in the trailer.
     
  19. Ed St. Clair

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    Perfect seamless branching title.
     
  20. Ed St. Clair

    Ed St. Clair Well-Known Member

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    Wonder what he watched it on (what size screen & how far away)?
    EDitEDbyED:
    Is it true this is the wrong widescreen & wrong IMAX OAR?
    Thanks.
     

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