The AFI 100 Years List for 2008... (1 Viewer)

[george kaplan]

Yeah, and I also had to play some weird games. Adam's Rib is a romantic comedy, and not a courtroom drama, but it's on both lists, and it helped me fill out courtroom dramas by putting it there, and freeing up a slot in romantic comedies.

The more I think about it, the stranger these categories are, ranging from broad (mystery) to narrow (courtroom drama), and having two categories (courtroom drama and gangsters) that are in some ways subgenres of mystery. And of course, whole major genres (e.g., musicals) are missing entirely. But, hey, I may comment on it, but it isn't something that really matters to me how they do it.

 

[Pete York]

I believe I basically adhered to the rules: (* indicates a write-in)

Animation

1. Bambi
2. Pinocchio
3. Fantasia
4. Beauty and the Beast
5. Who Framed Roger Rabbit
6. Toy Story
7. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
8. The Iron Giant
9. The Lion King
10. Mr. Bug Goes to Town (wanted to acknowledge the Fleischers) *

Fantasy

1. It’s a Wonderful Life
2. The Devil and Daniel Webster
3. Mary Poppins
4. King Kong
5. Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
6. The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
7. Harvey
8. Heaven Can Wait (1943) *
9. Portrait of Jennie
10. The Wizard of Oz

Gangster

1. The Godfather, Part II
2. The Godfather
3. Goodfellas
4. The Killers
5. The Public Enemy
6. Force of Evil
7. White Heat
8. Point Blank *
9. The Big Heat
10. Angels with Dirty Faces

Sci Fi

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey
2. Back to the Future
3. Star Wars
4. Planet of the Apes
5. Invasion of the Body Snatchers
6. The Day the Eart Stood Still
7. Alien
8. Blade Runner
9. Jurassic Park
10. Forbidden Planet

Western

1. My Darling Clementine
2. Stagecoach
3. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
4. Blazing Saddles
5. Red River
6. The Searchers
7. Shane
8. Unforgiven
9. The Wild Bunch
10. Bend of the River
(Assuming Treasure of the Sierra Madre doesn’t qualify – it would be #2)

Sports

1. Slap Shot
2. The Set-Up *
3. Hoosiers
4. Breaking Away
5. The Natural
6. Raging Bull
7. Eight Men Out
8. Caddyshack
9. The Color of Money
10. The Bad News Bears
(Assuming Hoop Dreams doesn’t qualify)

Mystery

1. The Third Man
2. L.A. Confidential
3. The Thin Man
4. Chinatown
5. Laura
6. The Maltese Falcon
7. The Lady from Shanghai
8. The Big Sleep
9. In a Lonely Place
10. Kiss Me Deadly
(Fitting the Hitchcock’s in is problematic. I gave up. Frankly I consider the man and his work a genre unto itself.)

Romantic Comedy

1. The Lady Eve
2. My Man Godfrey
3. The Shop Around the Corner
4. Bringing Up Baby
5. His Girl Friday
6. It Happened One Night
7. Manhattan *
8. The Palm Beach Story
9. The Awful Truth
10. The Philadelphia Story

Courtroom Drama

1. 12 Angry Men
2. Anatomy of a Murder
3. To Kill a Mockingbird
4. Young Mr. Lincoln
5. Advise & Consent
6. The Caine Mutiny
7. In Cold Blood
8. A Few Good Men
9. Talk of the Town
10. Witness for the Prosecution

Epic

1. Lawrence of Arabia
2. The Godfather, Part II
3. Apocalypse Now
4. The Bridge on the River Kwai
5. The Big Parade
6. Ben-Hur (1959)
7. Gone With the Wind
8. The Right Stuff * (this seems to meet the criteria)
9. Doctor Zhivago
10. Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ (1925)

 

[george kaplan]

I have a question about Advise & Consent. I left it off, cause the list has it as 1949. I'm assuming that's a different film than the excellent 1962 one.

 

[Pete York]

Whoa, good catch George. I can't imagine what movie it's referring to. But I figure the congressional hearing scene fits A&C '62 into the category so it would be my write-in anyway.

 

[John Kilduff]

I'm bumping this thread back up for the following reason.

The AFI has issued a press release about the "10 Top 10" special. The press release is located here: CBS PressExpress - CBS Television Network - AMERICAN FILM INSTITUTE BRINGS HOLLYWOOD'S BRIGHTEST STARS TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE "AFI's 10 TOP 10," WEDNESDAY, JUNE 17 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK

Needless to say, I'm excited, and I'm also trying to guess possible winners based on the commentators listed. So far, I think that, on the basis of Michael J. Fox's appearance, "Back To The Future" will be on the Sci-Fi list, while Gene Hackman's presence leads me to think that "Unforgiven" will be on the Westerns list.

So, any thoughts on what they've announced so far?

Sincerely,

John Kilduff...

And there will be more commentators besides those listed.

 

[Adam_S]

Jane Fonda, so Klute, probably in the mystery, cat ballou wasn't nominated, so not for that, possibly Barefoot in the Park for Romantic Comedy. though she could very well be the one talking about the inevitable placement of 12 Angry men in the courtroom drama, or maybe Ox Bow Incident, Fort Apache or My Darling Clementine maybe made it on Westerns?

I would bet Jerry Maguire made the list in one of the categories it was nominated in (Cuba Gooding Jr is presenting and he hasn't done anything else that could possibly merit his inclusion)

Jennifer Love Hewitt has me perplexed as a presenter, perhaps just pimping Ghost Whisperer?

I'm guessing Kirk Douglas means Spartacus made the list under epic.

Sigourney Weaver probably means Alien, though maybe Working Girl made it on the rom com list.

Spielberg is probably talking about Lawrence of Arabia, other epics, westerns, fantasy and possibly anything else, the man is a walking explosion of enthusiasm for american cinema... oh and a few of his movies probably made the lists.

Sean Astin probably indicates both Rudy or Lord of the Rings, probably, possibly number one in both categories, though if Rudy is number one over Rocky I'll be stunned.

drawing a blank on jessica alba, james wood.

I will dance for joy if the Gabriel Byrne inclusion means that Miller's Crossing made the gangster's list! but it probably just means Usual suspects made the mystery list :frowning:

damn I just read down to this paragrah, and it's very enlightening, so probably no miller's crossing, byrne is hosting mystery.


my guess is Scorsese and Eastwood are hosting the last two categories. I guess Meg Ryan didn't want to host the rom com so they got Jessica Alba, but I guess it makes sense as a cross promotion for the Love Guru which will be releasing that week.

 

[Lew Crippen]

A little late in this thread. These are all unordered.

Animated

•Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
•Dumbo
•Bambi
•Toy Story
•Incredibles, The
•Pinocchio
•Sleeping Beauty
•Fantasia
•Finding Nemo
•Secret of NIMH

Comment: I’d nominate The Polar Express for a bottom 10 list.


Fantasy

•Brazil
•Heaven Can Wait
•Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring
•Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
•Wizard of Oz, The
•Babe
•Princess Bride, The
•Devil and Daniel Webster, The
•King Kong
•Mary Poppins


Gangster

•Atlantic City
•Bonnie and Clyde
•Godfather Part II, The
•On the Waterfront
•Once Upon a Time in America
•Some Like It Hot
•White Heat
•Pulp Fiction
•Reservoir Dogs
•Godfather, The


Science Fiction

•2001: A Space Odyssey
•Frankenstein
•A.I. Artificial Intelligence
•Clockwork Orange, A
•Day the Earth Stood Still, The
•Forbidden Planet
•Close Encounters of the Third Kind
•Thing From Another World, The
•Minority Report
•Fly, The


Western

•Shane
•Red River
•Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The
•McCabe and Mrs. Miller
•Johnny Guitar
•Last Picture Show, The
•My Darling Clementine
•Searchers, The
•Unforgiven
•Wild Bunch, The

Comment: Along with Adam I think that The Naked Spur should be on the list


Sports

•Downhill Racer
•North Dallas Forty
•Raging Bull
•Breaking Away
•Field of Dreams
•Horse Feathers
•Hoosiers
•Hustler, The
•Bull Durham
•Chariots of Fire


Mystery

•Vertigo
•Rear Window
•Blue Velvet
•Conservation, The
•Maltese Falcon, The
•Chinatown
•Gaslight
•North by Northwest
•Lady From Shanghai
•Fugitive, The


Romantic Comedy

•Bringing Up Baby
•Lady Eve, The
•Palm Beach Story
•Shop Around the Corner
•Annie Hall
•Apartment, The
•City Lights
•It Happened One Night
•Philadelphia Story, The
•My Man Godfrey


Courtroom Drama

•12 Angry Men
•Witness for the Prosecution
•Anatomy of a Murder
•In Cold Blood
•Inherit the Wind
•Judgment at Nuremberg
•Man for All Seasons, A
•Paths of Glory
•To Kill a Mockingbird
•Caine Mutiny, The


Epic

•Intolerance
•Birth of a Nation
•Gandhi
•Last Temptation of Christ, The
•Lawrence of Arabia
•Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
•Patton
•Queen Christina
•Schindler’s List
•Spartacus

 

[Adam_S]

predictions for number ones:

animation:
Beauty and the Beast

Courtroom Drama:
To Kill a Mockingbird

Epic
Lawrence of Arabia

Fantasy:
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring

Gangster:
The Godfather

Mystery:
Chinatown

Romantic Comedy:
Annie Hall

Science Fiction:
2001: A Space Odyssey

Sports:
Rocky

Western:
The Searchers

 

[Eric Peterson]

Here's me predictions! I focused on my number one and gave a very rough run at ordering them.

ANIMATION

1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
2. Toy Story
3. Beauty and the Beast
4. Fantasia
5. Bambi
6. The Lion King
7. The Nightmare Before Christmas
8. Pinocchio
9. Sleeping Beauty
10. Shrek

FANTASY

1. Wizard of Oz
2. It's a Wonderful Life
3. King Kong
4. Harvey
5. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
6. Ghost
7. Miracle on 34th Street
8. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
9. Edward Scissorhands
10. The Princess Bride

ROMANTIC COMEDIES

1. Annie Hall
2. The Apartment
3. City Lights
4. It Happened One Night
5. The Philadelphia Story
6. The Shop Around the Corner
7. When Harry Met Sally
8. His Girl Friday
9. Woman of the Year
10. Sleepless in Seattle

SCI-FI

1. Star Wars
2. 2001: A Space Odyssey
3. Alien
4. Blade Runner
5. The Day the Earth Stood Still
6. The Time Machine
7. The Thing From Another World
8. Invasion of the Body Snatchers
9. Back to the Future
10. Planet of the Apes

WESTERN

1. The Searchers
2. High Noon
3. Shane
4. Rio Bravo
5. Unforgiven
6. The Wild Bunch
7. Stagecoach
8. Red River
9. The Ox-Bow Incident
10. Dances With Wolves

GANGSTER

1. The Godfather
2. Goodfellas
3. Bonnie and Clyde
4. Little Caesar
5. On the Waterfront
6. Scarface
7. The Public Enemy
8. Pulp Fiction
9. White Heat
10. Touch of Evil

SPORTS

1. Rocky
2. Raging Bull
3. Million Dollar Baby
4. The Hustler
5. The Natural
6. Field of Dreams
7. Jerry Maguire
8. The Pride of the Yankees
9. Hoosiers
10. Caddyshack

COURTROOM DRAMA

1. 12 Angry Men
2. To Kill a Mockingbird
3. Anatomy of a Murder
4. Erin Brokovich
5. A Few Good Men
6. Inherit the Wind
7. Witness for the Prosecution
8. Philadelphia
9. Judgement at Nuremberg
10. Kramer vs. Kramer

MYSTERY

1. Vertigo
2. Rear Window
3. The Third Man
4. China Town
5. The Maltese Falcon
6. North by Northwest
7. Charade
8. L.A. Confidential
9. Blue Velvet
10. The Thin Man

EPIC

1. Lawrence of Arabia
2. Ben-Hur (1959)
3. Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
4. Forrest Gump
5. Dr. Zhivago
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Giant
8. Schindler's List
9. Once Upon a Time in America
10. Intolerance

 

[John Kilduff]

Here's the full host and commentator list from the website:

The complete host list:

-Jessica Alba-Romantic Comedy
-Sean Astin-Fantasy
-Gabriel Byrne-Mystery
-Kirk Douglas-Epic
-Clint Eastwood-Western
-Cuba Gooding Jr.-Sports
-Jennifer Love Hewitt-Animation
-Quentin Tarantino-Gangster
-Sigourney Weaver-Sci-Fi
-James Woods-Courtroom Drama

The complete commentators list:

-Tim Allen
-Ed Burns
-Harrison Ford
-Jane Fonda
-Michael J. Fox
-Brad Garrett
-Ben Gazarra
-Gene Hackman
-Dennis Hopper
-Norman Jewison
-James Earl Jones
-Nathan Lane
-Ray Liotta
-Robert Loggia
-George Lucas
-Sidney Lumet
-Amy Madigan
-Leonard Maltin
-Dominic Monaghan
-Elizabeth Perkins
-Roman Polanski
-Harold Ramis
-John Ratzenberger
-Rob Reiner
-Isabella Rossellini
-Susan Sarandon
-Talia Shire
-Steven Spielberg
-Daniel Stern
-Ridley Scott
-Lesley Ann Warren
-Vanessa Williams
-Rita Wilson

So, anybody willing to make new guesses based on the complete lists?

Sincerely,

John Kilduff...

Just a little over a week to go.

 

[haroldS]

I went over the list of the fifty nominated Westerns and I don't recall "3:10 To Yuma", the original version, being listed. If I am correct, compared to some of the listed titles, there seems a problem with the nomination process or a list of fifty is too low.

 

[Film Syncs]

My personal faves based on Mr. Peterson's list:

ANIMATION

1. Beauty and the Beast

FANTASY

1. Wizard of Oz

ROMANTIC COMEDIES

1. Sleepless in Seattle

SCI-FI

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey

WESTERN

1. High Noon

GANGSTER

1. The Godfather

SPORTS

1. Rocky

COURTROOM DRAMA

1. To Kill A Mockingbird

MYSTERY

1. Rear Window

EPIC

1. Lawrence of Arabia

 

[PatW]

Here's my list of what I think will win and in some instances not the one I would like to see win.

Animation

Beauty and the Beast

Fantasy

Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring

Gangster

The Godfather

Science Fiction

2001 A Space Odyssey

Western

Unforgiven

Sports films

Raging Bull

Mystery

Chinatown

Romantic Comedy

Annie Hall

Courtroom Drama

To Kill a Mockingbird

Epic

Laurence of Arabia

 

[Adam_S]

i'm conflicted on some of my number ones, I was thinking on the big jumps in popularity/ranking made by Raging Bull, Vertigo and City Lights on last years 10th anniversary list, and so I'm thinking all three of those are threats to the number one choices I put down, I figure they've got to be at least number two if they're not number one. I also think I probably should have guessed Snow White as number one in animated but I think that's kind of boring, I'd love to see Beauty and the Beast take it. I suppose Wizard of Oz will be number one on the fantasy list but it wouldn't make my top ten so I'm keeping LoTR deservedly at my guess for number one.

 

[PatW]

My own personal favourites are so different in five of the categories. For instances I'd like to see Butch Cassidy win but I don't think it has a hope in hell. I hope it's one of the best ten. I would have also chosen Goodfellas or History of Violence over the Godfather but neither of those stand a chance. Maybe Goodfellas for the top ten but certainly not History of Violence. I think Cronenberg is just too weird, in the institute's eyes for any film of his to be considered. Annie Hall I personally disliked. I would rather have seen Bringing Up Baby (my favourite), Philadelphia Story or the Apartment win. I think both Philadelphia Story and the Apartment will be in the top ten but Bringing Up Baby, I don't think stands a chance. I'm torn about the Sci-fi category. I think 2001 will win and it probably deserves to win. I rated it 5/5 myself but films I've rated alot lower give me more enjoyment. It is possible that Star Wars will be number one because it was such a cultural phenomenon but one of the movies that inspired Lucas was 2001 so that's why I've chosen it.

 

[Adam_S]

I imagine goodfellas will be number two and Godfather Part Ii will be number three. Star Wars will probably be number two behind 2001 unless the two of them flip flop, which is possible.

I looked at the films nominated for fantasy again, I think the top ten from it will probably cause the most consternation. I can easily envision a list where Lord of the Rings and Wizard of Oz, and King Kongare the only three 'classic' fantasy films on the final ten, with the other seven being films like Big, Miracle on 34th Street, Field of Dreams, Harvey, It's a Wonderful Life (this or King Kong is a likely number 3 in this genre I think), and Groundhog Day. I love all those films, but I hope there is some diversity away from the 'safe' nominated films. I'd like to see some Harryhausen and Tim Burton make it onto the final list. And I"m really hoping Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Willy Wonka, and Mary Poppins and Princess Bride make it in, I figure Mary Poppins is probably a very safe bet to make it though I can hardly imagine a list as actually representative of the fantasy genre without it including Princess Bride (should also be on Romantic comedy, imo). I'll be curious to see if any of the superhero films make it in. The fantasy nominees seem to be the biggest mishmosh of different kinds of films than any of the other lists, you don't get as strong a sense of a cohesive genre from the nominees.

I agree with you, PatW, on The Apartment, I'd love to see it take number one, but I suppose it'll be in the top five, and that's pretty damn good.

 

[Adam_S]

my personal number one from the 50 nominated films in each genre:

Animated: Beauty and the Beast

Courtroom Drama: To Kill a Mockingbird

Epic: Lawrence of Arabia

Fantasy: The Princess Bride

Gangster: The Godfather

Mystery: The Thin Man (or Charade, but I've only seen it once)

Romantic Comedy: the Apartment

Sci-fi: A.I. Artificial Intelligence (or Eternal Sunshine)

Sports: Field of Dreams

Western: The Searchers (used to be man Who Shot Liberty Valence, but I think it doesn't hold up quite as well but that's ONLY because it's soundstage bound).

 

[PatW]

I'm glad to see that you love A.I. It is such a misunderstood movie and unjustly is the object of ridicule. I don't think it's Spielberg's best but it is a masterpiece. Field of Dreams is also my own personal favourite but I doubt if it has any chance. We shall see.

 

[Michael Elliott]

I guess I'll play:

Picking the films I'd vote for....

Animation

BAMBI

Fantasy

FIELD OF DREAMS

Gangster

GOODFELLAS

Sci-Fi

DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (followed closely by E.T.)

Western

UNFORGIVEN or THE SEARCHERS

Sports

RAGING BULL (dumb catagory since this isn't even a sports movie)

Mystery

THE MALTESE FALCON (where in the hell is PSYCHO?!?!?!?!?)

Romantic Comedy

ANNIE HALL

Courtroom Drama

12 ANGRY MEN

Epic

INTOLERANCE (although I doubt it'll make the top 10 since the network would have to air a dirty word)

 

[Chuck Mayer]

Can't say I love their genres. Action, horror, comedy, etc. But I'll play, from their lists.


Animation
THE INCREDIBLES


Fantasy (their choices are...pretty esoteric)
THE PRINCESS BRIDE (tough picking against my beloved FOTR, but...)


Gangster (I liked this list a LOT better)
HEAT (personal choice - THE GODFATHER would be more objective for me)


Sci-Fi (happy to see CONTACT......wtf THUNDERDOME over RW?!?)
BLADE RUNNER


Western (still pretty light on westerns)
THE SEARCHERS


Sports
FIELD OF DREAMS


Mystery (happy to see DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS on this list)
VERTIGO


Romantic Comedy
SAY ANYTHING...


Courtroom Drama (tough to not put 12 ANGRY MEN or TO KILL..., but)
THE INSIDER


Epic
TITANIC (or a write-in for THE NEW WORLD)
But I wouldn't say that TITANIC is better than several movies on that list

I was happy to see that Michael Mann has 4 films on the list...I picked two of them, and considered another (ALI).