Peter Jackson & Crew talk ROTK Extended Edition DVD and much more (1 Viewer)

[oscar_merkx]

yeah I was going to say the same thing

 

[Robert Anthony]

The One Ring just posted their list of what's going to be in it.

Although there's a disclaimer that some of it might be speculation. but still--if you wanna get this back on the rails, finding that list on the site and posting it here would do it

I'll leave it to Oscar the Link-master.

 

[oscar_merkx]

your too kind Robert

Here is a link to Michael Pellerin, the dvd producer

http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine...s/pellerin.htm

 

[oscar_merkx]

and this is the link to the spoiler site

http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1079056437.html

and read them yourselves and discuss afterwards

 

[Ray_R]

Everything on the site sounds good to me!

 

[John Alderson]

Err, how up to date and reliable is that article?

 

[Adam_WM]

I think a lot of this is just ridiculous speculation but here it is anyway. Be advised, this is translated from a German source.

from theonering.net:



The LOTR Special Extended Edition will be released in November (as per PJ) and will have an additional length between 40 and 60 min. The official color of the DVD box is blue.

The cinema version of the movie will be released in July, not August, so there is a possibility that SEE will be released earlier than November - some online stores even say that they will have the cinema version in May…

The SEE DVD will include 350 new Effect-Shots, much more than the other SEE DVDs.

The SEE DVD production is nearly complete; they are just adding music and some more effects.

Add -ons (chronological):

The borderline:
A beautiful scene, before the two hobbits, guided by Gollum, walk on… The hobbits catch sight of a huge monument and statues. Up to this scene the sky wasn't edit digitally… from now on it's getting darker and darker … a cursed environment. In this scene you see the title of the movie "The Return of the King"

Saruman's disempowerment:
Saruman's last dialog with Gandalf, Theoden and the others will only be seen on the SEE. Saruman is going to appear on the balcony, trying to bewitch the fellowship one last time by talking to them. But Gandalf breaks Saruman's wand. After that Wormtongue and Saruman appear on the roof of the Orthanc. Saruman treats his servant like a dog and threatens him with a knife. But Wormtongue fights back, grabs the knife and throws Saruman from the Orthanc. His own weapons pierce Saruman and Legolas kills Wormtongue with one of his arrows.

Rumour: Reportedly the finding of the Palantir will be changed a little bit. Wormtongue might throw it from the roof of the Orthanc, aiming at Saruman. I don't think they will change and cut this scene. After Gandalf gets the Palantir from Pippin he turns around - and that's it. I think that's the moment when Saruman will appear on the balcony. But how Saruman really dies is not 100% sure yet. Rumours say they filmed different death scenes, so that they don't give away which one they use. Another possibility: Saruman simply falls into the water. You can tell from the GBA-Screens that Grima killed Theoden's son by poisoning him.

Edoras: Merry's vow of fidelity:
During the whole movie Merry serves the King, Theoden. But why? Like it was shown in the first teaser of the trilogy: the king dubs Merry knight of Rohan. Merry offers his services and Theoden accepts and hands him a sword.

Dialogue:

"I offer you my service, King Theoden" Merry is given a knighthood.

Edoras: Dialogue between Eowyn and Eomer concerning Merry:
Like we have seen in the cinema version, Eomer can't believe that Marry is able to take part in a battle. There will be a typical brother-sister scene on the SEE, concerning this topic. The existence of such a scene is confirmed by a "making off video", because Peter Jackson mentions a "Brother and Sister" moment.

Edoras: A "drinking game" during the celebration:
After the success in Isengard, Aragorn, Merry, Gimli, Theoden and the others go to Edoras. There will be some new elements in the scene were both hobbits dance on the table while Gandalf talks to Aragorn about Frodo... the SEE will show another funny scene (which isn't in the book) . Legolas and Gimli play a drinking game...
Dialogue:

Legolas: "So, it's a drinking game?"

Laughing and screaming of the others

Legolas: "What exactly is the point of it?"

Gimli: "Last one standing wins."

Add-on in Edoras: Aragorn & Eowyn:
It's likely that this scene focuses again on Eowyn's anxiety not being able to attend the battle. Officially Aragorn comforts Eowyn, but now it is said, that he only keeps company with her.

Edoras: Extended discussion:
In Edoras Aragorn and Gandalf talk about their proceeding. There will be more dialogues than in the cinema version.

Dialogue:

Gandalf: "If the ring is destroyed, Sauron will fall and his fall will be so low that none will see his arising ever again… but if Sauron regains the ring, his victory will be swift and complete. Things are now in motion that cannot be undone. Sauron has looked into the face of young Peregrin Took and mistaken him for the Ringbearer".
Aragorn: "He has gone unchallenged long enough."

Edoras: Changed Farewell
Merry says good bye to Pippin, who seems to be very sad. Merry bolsters Pippin and tells him that they will see each other in the shire. As far as I know, a new scene replaced this one. We won't see this dialogue on the SEE and we won't hear the sentence "We shall see the Shire again."

Edoras: Extended Farewell:
After Gandalf and Pippin left, Aragorn tells Merry, that Pippin will only be save at Minas Tirith, because Saruman thinks he is the ring bearer. That's why Gandalf has to bring him away. In the cinema version, Aragorn doesn't say anything. Before Pippin leaves Edoras, Aragorn gives him back his elven leaf brooch.

Mirror-inverted ride to Gondor:
Gandalf and Pippin ride for 3 days, but the journey is over soon. To soon... Gandalf rides from right to left. But on the RotK- preview he rides from left to right - through the forest and the sky seems to be darker -- it might be possible that the journey is longer on the SEE version - if it's not a joke from the filmmakers and they simply like showing mirror inverted scenes in the trailer.

Extended Dialogue between Eowyn and Aragorn:
While walking to his horse Aragorn asks Eowyn if she is going to ride as well. She tells him something about old customs, how the women say good bye to their men, but he discovers her sword. This scene follows exactly the sequence I just described.


Add-ons in Rivendell:
The scenes between Arwen and Elrond in Rivendell will be longer. As seen on the trailer, Elrond tells his daughter that he is not able to protect her anymore. There is another scene where Arwen falls into her fathers’ arms. Is there a connection between this and the paths of dead she discovers in her book? Arwen will also say some more words in the language of the elves.

Dialogue:

Elrond to Arwen on the bridge: "You have given away your life’s grace. I cannot protect you anymore"

These two dialogues are not in the cinema version: Arwen says: "Give him the sword of the King"
Elrond: "The enemy will never let Aragorn come to the throne of Gondor."

Camp: Altered Farewell:
In the cinema version Eowyn asks Aragorn if she knows why she is here. He tells her that he doesn't feel the same for her and then she disappears. Now these scenes show Aragorn how he touches Eowyn. I don't know if they will add this scene or if it was originally filmed like that...

Extended Paths of the dead:
There is supposed to be a corridor in the cave, full of skulls and bones on the floor and left and right in the walls. At one point Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas will be threatened by an avalanche of skulls. After leaving the cage there has to happen something else, because Aragorn’s sword looks bloody. Legolas is also supposed to have some more sentences.

Legolas will kill Peter Jackson, who supposed to have a cameo appearance as a corsair captain.
In the cinema version you only see a little bit of the paths of the dead, no skulls, no altars, no bloody sword, no corsair ships. I am sure they will be shown here, because Gandalf talks about them twice.

The Corsair Ships
Gandalf talks about them twice, and they are also seen twice: In Edoras Gandalf asks Aragorn to take another way and take the black ships and later, in Minas Tirith, he talks to Pippin about the warlock and mentions mercenary soldiers and the ships.

After the paths of the dead Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn board the ships and conquer the corsairs. But which scenes do we see on these two pictures? Which scenes will be shown on the SEE? Do we see how they board the ships? Yes, but without the ghosts, because they will appear later, as a surprise, on in the Pelennor Fields.

Minas Tirith: Original scene replaced?
This scene isn't in the movie. I think this scene was deleted and another one was shown instead. Gandalf and Pippin are in their quarters and they talk about the warlock, the war and the chances Frodo and Sam have.

Minas Tirith: Denethor’s madness & Palantir:
Denethor knows more than he should know. He knows about Aragorn and the forthcoming attack and he has given up hope. He got his information from a Palantir. One knight also says that Denethor has foreseen this attack. Gandalf is supposed to say that Aragorn will take Denethor's place and there is nothing he can do about it. Denethor calls Gandalf a traitor.

Unfortunately, John Noble (Denethor) said in an interview that these scenes weren't shot, however there is the possibility that we will see a scene where the Palantir is mentioned.

Minas Tirith: Longer dialogue between Faramir and Denethor:
Faramir is supposed to tell his father that he did let Frodo and Sam escape (with the ring) on purpose, breaking his father's rules.

While Pippin talks to Denethor, Faramir stands at his side. Shortly after that Denethir announces that those who break the rules have to be punished. A hint that Faramir really told him about the hobbits? A script section asserts that there will be a flashback, where Faramir tells his father about Boromirs death and hands him the broken horn. In another scene Pippin is going to get an armor from Faramir.

The second photo is a scene where we don't know if it shows the talk with Gandalf or if it is a totally new scene.

Orc Tower: Add-on
We might see a scene where an Orc is able to flee from the tower (you see this Orc in the Video Game holding Frodo’s Mithril chain mail) There are also some scenes where Orcs and Uruks fight with each other because of this alb.

Siege of Minas Tirith: Extended battle scenes
In the cinema version they didn't show how the enemy built up its war machinery. They also don't show how the White City is conquered. The enemy tries to destroy the gates with small battering rams. These weren't shown in the movie, but they will be on the SEE DVD. Soldiers of Gondor try to prevent this with the help of their arrows. They won't show how they draw their bows, but we will see how they shoot their arrows.



Siege of Minas Tirith: Gandalf vs. Witchking
In the movie the witchking said that he would fight the White Wizard … who suddenly doesn't have his wand anymore….

Pippin finally found Gandalf and managed to calm down the mad Denethor. The wizard carries his wand. He puts Pippin on the back of his horse - but when he reaches Denethor he doesn't have his wand anymore and looks like he has just taken part in a fight. In between those scenes it is likely that they meet the Witchking and Gandalf loses the fight, but the Witchking is distracted by something - that's why Gandalf and Pippin are able to flee… he might be distracted by the troops of Rohan (he probably hears the horns) or by something else … who knows… it is likely that he wouldn't stay on his beast during the fight and that Gandalf wouldn't fight on the back of his horse. The scene was filmed with a normal Nazgul first and later with the Witchking.

Battle on the Pelennor Fields: extended battle scenes:
It is said that we will see more digital effects on the SEE DVD, also the sky is supposed to be darkened. There are different possibilities what we will see during these battle scenes: it's possible that we will see more of the Eastlings, a longer dialogue between Eowyn and the Witchking, a scene where Argorn wins the fight against Orc leader and Gimli hits him with his axe. Orcs are also supposed to fight on the dead Olifants and after Theoden's death Eowyn will fight some more Orcs, protecting Pippin, who will find Merry later on.

Pelennor-Fields: Locating Eowyn and Merry
Eowyn was brave, defeated the witchking and was injured. We didn't see what happened afterwards. But somehow they must have found her, mourned and acclaimed her. On this picture we see how Eomer finds his sister on the battlefield.

When Pippin finds Merry on the Pelennor, he tucks him in and that's it … but it looks like Merry's injuries are worse, probably because of his attack on the witchking.

Pelennor-Fields: After the battle
In the cinema we didn't see how the wounded soldiers were saved and we didn't see Theoden’s last journey. A lot of people think that this photo is part of the scene where the dead king is brought back to Minas Tirith. It might also show obsequies later on. Or is it simply a battle scene?

Minas Tirith: After the battle
After the battle on the fields Aragorn is the only one who can help the wounded Faramir, Eowyn and Merry and save their lives. Only the healing hands of the king can save them. Afterwards Faramir and Eowyn get closer.

Minas Tirith: Aragorn as king
After healing Faramir, Eowyn and Merry, Aragorn is already accepted as king. After that he takes up his role as king and only during the next day they discuss the next proceedings. Gandalf at the meeting in Minas Tirith: "Either Frodo destroys the ring, or we face Sauron’s victory."

Minas Tirith: Aragorn looks into the Palantir
After some discussions Aragorn decides to look into the Palantir, to show Sauron that Isildur's heir is found. King Elessar could bring together mankind. That's what Sauron fears and that's what should distract him from Frodo and Sam. Sauron and his army wait for Elessar at the gate….

To the Black Gate:
This journey wasn't over in 5 minutes … So I think we will see some additional scenes on the SEE DVD.

At the Black Gate: Sauron's Mouth
One of the most dreadful myrmidon in the book. A scene a lot of book fans hoped to see in the movie: cruel, full of emotions, and ingenious. The Mouth Saurons, Saurons negotiator. There is a slight chance that we see this horrible creature on the SEE DVD. Probably in the last fight with Aragorn. Some people say you can see Frodo’s Mithril chain mail lying on the floor in the cinema version.. another hint, that we might see such a scene…

Theory1:

The Mouth of Sauron shows this chain mail to Gandalf and Aragorn, as a proof, that Frodo is dead. After that we will see a long dialogue between Gandalf, Aragorn and Saurons Mouth.. after that the black rider disappears and the Black Gate is opened, the enemy starts to march. We will see some scenes of Frodo and Sam before we return to the Black Gate, where the enemies surround Aragron and his troops. The Mouth of Sauron reappears and starts an attack.. Aragorn fights against him and wins but loses his horse to the Eastlings. Another cut to Sam, this time he fights against Gollum and tells him to beat it. Back at the Black Gate the Eastlings are beaten. Aragorn forms up his troops and then we hear the famous sentence: "For Frodo!"

Theory2:

Nobody knows if this is correct, because you don't see the body of Saurons Mouth, Aragorn’s dead horse or the bodies of the Eastlings … besides when Aragorn and his troops approach the Black Gate, his sword is in his scabbard. As he rides back, his bloody sword is in his hand and his face is full of mud. A hint that Saurons Mouth is killed at the beginning and the fact of the missing horses is just a blooper? However the book "Lord of the rings - Weapons and Warfare" hints at Saurons Mouth death (or defeat).

However, it's pretty sure that we will see some enhancements here. Ex. in a making off video you see that Gandalf is talking to Aragorn before they ride towards the Black Gate: "We are being watched". It's possible that is a scene from the SEE DVD … or that we won't see this at all?


At the Black Gate: The new formation
If theory No. 1 is correct, Aragorn forms up his troops at the Black Gate. These pictures show how he does it.

At the Black Gate: Pippin holds Merry
But why? Perhaps this picture shows Merry after he was brought back to Minas Tirith and Pippin is helping him. It can't be a scene from the Pelennor fields, because the hobbits don't wear their helmets in that battle. There are rumours that this photo is from the battle at the Black Gate….. One theory says that Merry breaks down when he hears that Frodo is dead. But this is not possible … there are not so many people in the background during that scene… is Merry wounded?

At the Black Gate: Changed battle?
In the cinema version Aragorn kills the troll, however it is said that in another scene it's Pippin who kills him (like in the book) Perhaps we see this scene on the DVD, who knows? In the video game you see, that Legolas save Gimli's life again… possible that we see that as well on the DVD.

Mordor: Add-ons
After Frodo’s pretended death we will see some more things. Sam is going to hold Stich, both hobbits will take off their armors….and Sam leaves behind his pans. At the end both hobbits meet an Orc army, but because they don't have the armors anymore they are not recognized.

Minas Tirith: Marriages and the new tree
Gandalf shows Pippin the tree in Minas Tirith who starts to bloom again. And we might see the wedding between Arwen and Aragorn and Faramir and Eowyn - I don't believe it - however both scenes were filmed. We might also see how Eomer is crowned king of Rohan. Only after that scene the characters will say good bye to each other.

End: Epilogue
Galadriel is supposed to hold an epilogue at the end, in which she explains what happens to the characters, because they don't want to show all the scenes in the movie… it's possible, because she also holds an epilogue at the beginning of the first movie.


Back in the Shire:
I am sure we will see more scenes when the hobbits return to the Shire …. because New Line Cinema wanted to keep these photos secret and the scene isn't in the cinema version. Perhaps we get to know why Frodo decides to leave the Shire and sail away with the ring bearers.

In general: more brutality … like we’ve seen in the SEE versions of FotR and TTT.

 

[Brian W.]

Most of what is there is based on the movie script and stills of unused scenes and scenes from the 10-minute preview on the TTT DVD and the theaterical trailer that were not included in the theatrical version. I'd be willing to bet MOST of these scenes will be on the EE.

But don't forget: The theatrical trailers and DVD previews for FOTR and TTT each contained excerpts of at least one scene that did not make it into the any edition of the films:

FOTR: The orc attack outside Lothlorien.
TTT: Eowyn and the orc.

So it's likely that at least one of the extra scenes in the 10-minute ROTK preview will not wind up in the EE.

Merry's tearful line, "We shall see the Shire again, Pippin," is probably out permanently, since Jackson decided on a different, less emotional take of that scene.

 

[Malcolm R]

According to an email received today from Columbia House (soliciting pre-orders), the theatrical edition of ROTK is released on May 25.

 

[Sean Bryan]

Mal, the May 25 release date was OFFICIALLY announced on Monday. I stressed "officially" because that date was "unofficially" out there and being discussed here (well, at least in the software forum) for quite a while now.

Two more months!

 

[Ernest Rister]

No Sam vs. the Watchers?

I was so looking forward to the trials of Samwise trying to save Frodo. To this day I remain stunned such an amazing action set piece was skipped over. The Watchers appear in the video game, in a fleeting shot. I lament the loss of such great moments for Master Samwise in the finished film.

 

[Lou Sytsma]

Agreed Ernest. Beyond the Watchers - which are seen briefly in the movie I would like to see Sam using the Ring as well.

 

[Bryan Ri]

Here's a question to throw out there:

Was the Scouring of the Shire completely thrown out of the script, or was it just cut from the Theatrical version of the film?

Bryan

 

[Adam_WM]

As far as I know, the Scouring was never even filmed. It was abandoned in pre-production. Frodo's vision at Galadriel's mirror was PJ's tribute to this part.

 

[Chris Farmer]

The Watchers I could see. With the last two EEs, there have always been a few scenes that weren't predicted that still showed up, or on-screen references that were explicitly made clear in the EEs. The Watchers WERE in the theatrical cut, I think it very likely they'll be in the EE based on that.

Sam using the Ring though, no chance. The movies play up the link between Sauron and the Ring far more then the books did, and it implies very strongly that as soon as you use the Ring Sauron sees you (see Bree and Amon Sul, esp since in the latter the book makes it clear that Sauron doesn't see Frodo, in the movie, he does). If Sam were to use the Ring at Cirith Ungol, in the movie's logic Sauron would see him immediately, thus ending the secrecy of the quest. Not gonna happen.

 

[Ernest Rister]

I thought Sam didn't use the ring, he grabbed it and its power fed his rage, making the orcs terrified of him.

Or am I getting confused by the Rankin/Bass cartoon?

"The Watchers WERE in the theatrical cut, I think it very likely they'll be in the EE based on that."

Crossing my fingers! Let's hope, Chris! Although in Tolkien's book, the Watchers shriek out an alarm after Sam and Frodo defy their will. I thought the whole tower collapsed after them, or am I getting the cartoon mixed up with the book again? In the theatrical cut of the movie, the tower is clearly standing after Sam and Frodo escape in Orc garb.

 

[Sean Bryan]

Just to clarify. Sauron does not seem to see Frodo "immediately" when he puts on the Ring at Amon Hen.

He puts on the Ring when Boromir tries to take it. Then he runs away (with the Ring on) and finds the Seeing Seat. When he sits in the Seeing Seat, he looks to Mordor (PJ said they originally intended to have Frodo look to other areas of Middle-earth first, seeing forces massing, but they decided it wasn't necessary and just had him look directly to Mordor first) and that is when Sauron is shown "seeing him".

I'm not certain exactly how quickly Sauron would see someone when they first put on the Ring. When Bilbo used it, Sauron didn't know it was found and he wasn't looking for it, so he never became aware of Bilbo. In the FOTR, Sauron knew a Hobbit, Baggins, had the Ring in a place called Shire. The dark forces didn't know exactly where The Shire was, but Sauron probably learned that it was in the North West by the time they were at Bree, and his gaze was probably focused in that direction. Thus, he seemed to rather quickly "see" Frodo when he put it on.

I think even in the book Sam knows that if he wears the Ring in Mordor Sauron will see him. When he wears it in the book, he hasn't entered into "Mordor proper" yet. If he were to wear it in the film at the pass of Cirith Ungol for a VERY BRIEF period of time they could get away with it. But I doubt this will happen.

 

[Matt Czyz]

I really hope we see the death of that strange-looking leader of the army attacking Minas Tirith (the one who side-steps the boulder launched at him). In the theatrical edition, we see him a lot before and during the battle, but we never see his demise (assuming he has one). A lot of build-up, but no payoff.

 

[Sean Bryan]

Matt, the orc leader is called Gothmog.

I'm pretty sure we'll see him being killed in the EE. I've seen it actually. It was shown in one of the specials which was a promotional/behind the scenes type show.

It wasn't shown in finished form. They showed the scene being filmed. Aragorn and Gimli do him in at Pelano

 

[Jay Pennington]

Also filmed, as part of this scene appeared in one of the tie-in cable tv special a couple of months ago.