Jack P
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Neil, the game of historical research doesn't rely on public opinion polls, especially when about 95% of the 70% you cite are not likely to have READ the entire Warren Commision testimony and proceedings of 26 volumes and are influenced mostly by the dishonest presentations of conspiracy authors and filmmakers who with their slick packaging, selective presentation of information and in other cases, outright lying present a misleading picture regarding the nature of the evidence.
Case in point. I once saw the aforementioned Robert Groden lie through his teeth to an audience of 100 people at Villanova University, when he presented the Zapruder film with phony sound effects of seven gunshots dubbed in to tell us when the shots supposedly were, and more than a dozen people I talked to afterwards were convinced they had heard an AUTHENTIC soundtrack of seven gunshots on the Z-film, when there is no such thing (and Groden did not tell his audience what he had done).
Groden also lied to this same group by telling the audience in a hushed tone of voice that the Secret Service had changed the motorcade route at the last minute and then he whispered in low tones how Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell was the brother of some general (translation, the Dallas mayor was somehow in on it!) But alas for Groden, if anyone bothers to READ the Warren Commission, one would find there was NO change in the motorcade route at the last minute, and that in fact, the motorcade route was determined by virtue of the fact that once the Dallas Trade Mart was decided for JFK's luncheon speech, then under Dallas traffic law, that motorcade route was the one they had to take. And who was it who made the decision that JFK would speak at the Trade Mart, and thus was ultimately the one responsible for why JFK drove past the School Book Depository and the Grassy Knoll? Why none other than Governor John Connally, who was wounded in the assassination, so I guess Governor Connally was martyring himself on behalf of the conspiracy that he had to be a part of!
Start doing some reading for a change instead of repeating the same old mantras, because it's not going to work with those of us who actually bothered to follow the rules of how honest historical research is done. If you did, you'd then find out that the HSCA *upheld* the Warren Commission on *all* details of importance. Oswald guilty? HSCA said yes. Oswald the only one who fired a gun that wounded JFK and Connally? HSCA said the WC was right. Oswald killed Officer Tippit? HSCA said yes, too. The Single Bullett THeory? The HSCA said that was right too. In fact, the HSCA was about to release a report saying "no evidence of a conspiracy" but at the last minute, their opportunistic chief counsel Robert Blakey, who was hell-bent determined to prove a Mafia killed JFK thesis, pushed the notion of "evidence" of a fourth gun shot based on a dictabelt recording that allegedly picked up the impulse patterns of four shots (not the sounds of actual gunshots. Of course, the fact that the earwitnessnes we were talking about before overwhelmingly said only THREE shots seems not to matter on this point). And on that one smidgen of evidence, the HSCA suddenly at the last minute talked about a "missed fourth shot" despite the fact there was no other evidence to support it.
And then guess what happened to that dictabelt evidence that was the only thing that pointed to a fourth shot? In 1982, a new study by the National Council on Ballistics and Sciences totally discredited the dictabelt recording and found that it did not come from a motorcycle in the motorcade but a parked motorcycle at the Trade Mart. Plus, at the time of the impulse patterns that are supposedly gunshots you can hear the voice of the Dallas sherriff saying something that didn't happen until more than a minute after the assassination.
So the bottom line is, if you want to cite the HSCA, you've got a problem because the HSCA after you take out that one item that was discredited by subsequent study, upholds the WC in all key details.
Case in point. I once saw the aforementioned Robert Groden lie through his teeth to an audience of 100 people at Villanova University, when he presented the Zapruder film with phony sound effects of seven gunshots dubbed in to tell us when the shots supposedly were, and more than a dozen people I talked to afterwards were convinced they had heard an AUTHENTIC soundtrack of seven gunshots on the Z-film, when there is no such thing (and Groden did not tell his audience what he had done).
Groden also lied to this same group by telling the audience in a hushed tone of voice that the Secret Service had changed the motorcade route at the last minute and then he whispered in low tones how Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell was the brother of some general (translation, the Dallas mayor was somehow in on it!) But alas for Groden, if anyone bothers to READ the Warren Commission, one would find there was NO change in the motorcade route at the last minute, and that in fact, the motorcade route was determined by virtue of the fact that once the Dallas Trade Mart was decided for JFK's luncheon speech, then under Dallas traffic law, that motorcade route was the one they had to take. And who was it who made the decision that JFK would speak at the Trade Mart, and thus was ultimately the one responsible for why JFK drove past the School Book Depository and the Grassy Knoll? Why none other than Governor John Connally, who was wounded in the assassination, so I guess Governor Connally was martyring himself on behalf of the conspiracy that he had to be a part of!
Start doing some reading for a change instead of repeating the same old mantras, because it's not going to work with those of us who actually bothered to follow the rules of how honest historical research is done. If you did, you'd then find out that the HSCA *upheld* the Warren Commission on *all* details of importance. Oswald guilty? HSCA said yes. Oswald the only one who fired a gun that wounded JFK and Connally? HSCA said the WC was right. Oswald killed Officer Tippit? HSCA said yes, too. The Single Bullett THeory? The HSCA said that was right too. In fact, the HSCA was about to release a report saying "no evidence of a conspiracy" but at the last minute, their opportunistic chief counsel Robert Blakey, who was hell-bent determined to prove a Mafia killed JFK thesis, pushed the notion of "evidence" of a fourth gun shot based on a dictabelt recording that allegedly picked up the impulse patterns of four shots (not the sounds of actual gunshots. Of course, the fact that the earwitnessnes we were talking about before overwhelmingly said only THREE shots seems not to matter on this point). And on that one smidgen of evidence, the HSCA suddenly at the last minute talked about a "missed fourth shot" despite the fact there was no other evidence to support it.
And then guess what happened to that dictabelt evidence that was the only thing that pointed to a fourth shot? In 1982, a new study by the National Council on Ballistics and Sciences totally discredited the dictabelt recording and found that it did not come from a motorcycle in the motorcade but a parked motorcycle at the Trade Mart. Plus, at the time of the impulse patterns that are supposedly gunshots you can hear the voice of the Dallas sherriff saying something that didn't happen until more than a minute after the assassination.
So the bottom line is, if you want to cite the HSCA, you've got a problem because the HSCA after you take out that one item that was discredited by subsequent study, upholds the WC in all key details.
