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Nobody mentioned it yet? (The End of Plasma)

Discussion in 'Displays' started by schan1269, Aug 30, 2014.

  1. schan1269

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    Plasma is dead.LG no more.
     
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    I'm glad plasma is gone .
    I never liked the quality of the images so went for Panasonic LCD in 2008.
    I then got an LED in 2012 just as Panasonic released their first ever 3D sets under 42".
    I thought the LCD was good but the LED was even better.

    I decided to change the set to a larger screen so it meant having to go plasma at the time . This was Panasonic too.
    Oh dear.

    Having been blown away by the clarity and detail of Blurays I found myself checking to see I actually had a Bluray on when viewing the plasma.
    I don't know why but 30 minute viewing and my wife got a headache . I also found it was not possible to set the brightness and contrast to levels I was happy with - So it went back and my LED returned.

    Cut to earlier this year and I finally decided to get a 42" as Panasonic didn't do 3D for 37" anymore.
    I compared some side by side displays of LED and plasma and it was easy to see why nobody was buying plasma . The quality was not very good.
    The new Panasonic I got was a smart tv with 600hz backlight , 3d etc and it is incredible .
    The HD detail is even more visible than with the previous set .

    The only reason I can see people sticking with plasma is because it's what they're used to.
    The old days of motion problems with LCD are long gone .

    My sister in law still has a 50" Panny plasma and the pictures are as bad as they were when she bought it several years ago.

    To me , the whole point of a flat screen was to view HD and as the wow factor was gone from my demo Blurays on the plasma screen it seemed pointless to keep it.
     
  4. schan1269

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    Greatest joke post...ever.
     
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    LED and LCD are one and the same but use different techniques to achieve better black levels, you will always find such sets marketed in shops and online as LED but i find that to be false advertising, i always call them LCD.

    Early plasma had some issues, they resolved them, nothing beats a well calibrated plasma television, well nothing until OLED came along but i have to say these early OLED sets have their issues and who knows if 4K LCD sets will kill off OLED before it drops in price and has a chance to get sales under it's belt, i wonder something, what is the sharpness set to on your Panasonic LCD set, how high is the contrast, did the shop display colours of the TV dazzle you into buying it and how did you calibrate it.

    I calibrated my Samsung plasma using a meter and Chromapure software, it looks amazing, best image quality i have ever seen from a television, blu ray is great on it as is HD satellite and even SD upscaled looks respectable, the 3D is also first class.
     
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    I'll give up my Panny plasma when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.....
     
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    Movies on my Plasma look like movies. Movies on LCDs, at friends and family, look like soap operas. Is this fixed in more recent LCD TVs?
     
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    In my experience with Samsung LCDs and LED LCDs, yes. They often come with the various auto motion/"soap opera" look functions turned on, so it takes a couple minutes to go in the menus and turn all of that stuff off, I think on my 2009 Samsung it was called "Auto Motion Plus", once I turned that and edge enhancement off, it was fine.
     
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    You can switch the interpolation features off on most televisions but the viewing angles still suck and the way most of them, not all, improve their blacks still suck. I'm too late, Josh beat me to the post by a cat's whisker. :D

    I would bet some of your friends have torch mode engaged or have the interpolation ( soap opera ) feature switched on, what you are going to have to do is get the remote control and do them a favour and switch all that rubbish off, take along a calibration disc too and give the sets a quick once over when no one is looking, of course they will switch it on when you are gone.
     
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    What are those modes for? Why are they turned on by default?
     
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    The manufacturers turn a lot of crap on by default because they think it makes their televisions stand out in the shop displays, people see garish overblown colours, brightness jacked up way too high, exaggerated sharpness and contrast and equate it with quality, i don't understand why but they do, even my plasma came with features you want switched off enabled.

    Come to think of it, my projector also had some of those awful features on by default.
     
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    Because LCD was never intended for motion to begin with.It needs gimmicks and tricks.
     
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    Sorry Malcolm! Did I win anything? :)

    They think we like them. (insert eye-rolling smiley here) I think Malcolm's right, the manufacturers think it helps the TVs stand out when they're displayed in the store. And some people like these functions, while a lot of others just don't notice that they've been turned on or are indifferent to them. I've noticed at friends and family members houses, and either they never noticed in the first place, or they kinda like it.
     
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    An i1 Display Pro 3 colorimeter and a copy of Chromapure. :3dglasses:
     
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    I bought a 46" Panasonic Plasma in July-Aug 2008 and it still in use. I paid too much but had to have it as my existing TVs(one back to the early 1970s) broke down at the same time. The 70s blow the picture tube in seconds for the first time in all those years and the other had common fault with the switch-on section. They were large CRT and Philips. The price has dropped on all TVs in my country this would got under $1000 today but then c$3000 plus extra like HDMI leads, extra warranty etc. As a Senior there was free delivery from the warehouse(now defunct). Soon after I got it the screen would not turn on and there was one of three panels inside that had a fault then another went at this time and was also replaced. No technician came only a guy from the company with the service contract for Panasonic and a few A4 sheets of paper to work from. He needed to call base on his phone and then Panasonic in Sydney for advice.

    I will need to upgrade to get 3-D and maybe a Smart operation and it will be LED as this is all that seems to be around now. The TVs are PAL/NTSC for DVD and great with Blu Ray. Now Samsung have curved screens and bit by bit LG, Samsung & Panasonic have UltraHD getting into the market place. I am in a PAL country.
     
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    I'll take it!
     
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    Obviously anyone interested in buying a plasma TV should act now while they're still available. OneCall in Spokane has some good prices on Samsung plasmas.

    I've had my Panny plasma for five years and it looks as good as when I first had it calibrated.
     
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    I am the proud owner of a 60" Pioneer (plasma) Europe /Kuro (PDK-TS35A). It has been professionally calibrated and I am extremely happy with the gorgeous picture.
    The only thing I'm no longer satisfied with is the size. Since I've seen screens of around 100" I just know one day Iwon't be able to resist and go for one.
    Sigh......
    And here I thought I had found the screen I would never trade for another.

    sk
     
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    A bit harsh, but true. Displaying motion on any LCD - and yes, LED is simply an LCD TV with an LED backlight instead of a CCFL backlight, nothing more - is inherently different to plasma. I wrote an HDTV article a few years ago which tries to cover this in relatively straightforward terms, see this page of the article to understand why they differ.

    The long and the short of it is that Plasma is generally much better at virtually everything than LCD/LED, in some cases by a country mile. The only two areas where LCD excels are brightness (some would say overbrightness), and resistance to image retention.

    It's truly a shame that plasma has effectively died off, but not really a surprise. People don't appreciate quality. The same thing happened many years ago with Pioneer and their Kuro plasmas - recognized as the best for image quality, unsurpassed (until only recently) blacks, but driving Pioneer broke because people won't pay for quality.
     
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    Consumers don't replace quality TV's very often so I am unsurprised that Panasonic have followed Pioneer in stopping production of their great plasmas. I hope my Panny plasma lasts until 4k OLED becomes more available.
     

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