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Gary King

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Morgan -
I'm sure Capcom did a lot of feeling when they decided to release RE on Gamecube, but it's probably not the type of feeling that you seem to be convinced it was... Capcom felt the bottom of their wallet, and realized that they could milk their cash cow some more so that they wouldn't feel the bottom of their wallet. The same as Square with the Final Fantasy ports/remakes.
 

Ian C

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Morgan,
Your argument makes absolutely no sense. They made MORE money releasing it on multiple consoles than if they had just released it on one. They are making them exclusive to the Gamecube because Nintendo no doubt paid a hefty fee.
You naivety amuses me.
Ian
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Morgan Jolley

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If someone only owns a PlayStation and doesn't buy a remake of a game, they can buy RE1, 2, and 3. If they own a PlayStation 2, they can own all the PSX ones, plus Code Veronica. If they own a DC, they can own 2, 3, and Code Veronica. If they own a N64, they can own 2. The only way for a person to own all of the games (0,1,2,3,4,CV) is if they buy a GameCube. Some hardcore fans will buy a GameCube for the pure fact that it has Resident Evil (like what happened with Final Fantasy and the PSX). Since all of the games will be on one console, gamers can buy all 6 games, which is more profitable than making them buy all of the games over several platforms because then the consumer has less money to spend on other games (such as other Capcom titles). Considering that the GCN has a head start over the X-Box in Japan, and that more people will probably own GCNs than XBs (for the near future), this was a good decision for them to make. Capcom has versions of RE1-3 and CV available for PS2, and REZero was announced for a Nintendo console a long time ago (as an exclusive title). They probably thought that it would be better to announce something big for the GCN right before it comes out to stimulate sales for it, then all the hardcore fans would buy RE0-4 and CV for that platform, even though versions of the games are available somewhere else (except 4).
Also, porting is not always a good idea. Porting RE2 and 3 to DC was pointless, seeing as how so many people already owned both games for PSX or PC. So far, there have been around 15 versions of 4 games released, just from the RE series. They probably thought that porting everything was a waste of time and money, and focusing the games on just one platform would get less mad fans and make their target audience easier to aim at.
I'm not denying that money was involved. It was, no doubt about it. I'm just saying that there are probably reasons that were just added bonuses.
 

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Porting is a great idea. Make that GREAT.
It lets people play more great games without having to buy every single console, and more ported games make a profit than original games do, because a larger portion of the development costs are already sunk.
I can see no good argument against porting except by those who wish to participate in console flame wars; the more titles are exclusive, the more they can bash.
 

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They probably thought that porting everything was a waste of time and money, and focusing the games on just one platform would get less mad fans and make their target audience easier to aim at.
Morgan, *stop it*. Listen to what people in here are saying. The [bold]ONLY[/bold] reason RE is now exclusive to the GameCube is because Nintendo made it financially favourable for Capcom. Capcom have supported multiple platforms for years with most of their bigbrands. Their 'quick & easy' ports *sell* enough copies to make it worthwhile - that's why they do it! Why stop now? Because Capcom got sufficiently paid off to do it.
"less mad fans"? Oh come *on*. If anything, it's caused *more* 'mad fans' - all those PS2 owners who now don't have access to playing RE4 without buying another machine.
Also, a 'long term' exclusivity deal like this could cause real problems for the franchise if the GameCube flops (I'm not saying it *will*, Morgan).
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Morgan Jolley

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I know that money was involved and that is probably the only reason why the RE series is on the GCN now. I said that before.
Some people get pissed off when a game like Dead or Alive 2 is announced as an exclusive for one console and then a new version of it appears on another console. People get screwed out of the better version unless they want to spend more money. Resident Evil 2 has been ported to every console (besides PS2 and GameBoy Color/Advance) and every new version has something extra that makes it better than the previous version. Yes, they make money, but the true diehard fans get screwed. Since they never announced Resident Evil 4 for the PS2, nobody should have bought it thinking that they would get RE4. Since they announced the entire series for GCN, people can buy a GCN and get the whole series, which includes any games they might have missed out on, plus the games all have better graphics and are revamped. In a sense, they are just porting all the RE games that are already out onto another console.
I'm not saying money wasn't involved. I know it was, and it was probably the most important, if not only, reason why the series is exclusive to the GCN.
 

TimG

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To get this thread back on topic. The Comp-USA flyers that came out in this sundays paper had an ad for pre-ordering the XBox. It said clearly that it included a progressive scan dvd player. Somebody needs to get this whole thing straightened up.
Tim
 

BrianB

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It said clearly that it included a progressive scan dvd player.
Yup, saw that too, found it very amusing. CompUSA will have had that printed at least a few days ago. They should have known about it by then.
False advertising's great, isn't it? Of course, they're covered by their "E&OE" statement.
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Morgan Jolley

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Its one thing to say that in an ad that a console has great games or is the next "cool" thing, but this is just outright wrong.
Even so, most of the people who will know what Progressive Scan is or even care about it will know that the XB doesn't have it.
 

steveC

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Gamespot.com from Ed Fries
GS: Will the Xbox DVD have progressive scan capabilities?
EF: I'm not an expert on this, but my understanding is that there is progressive scan capability built in.
 

Joel Mack

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Yeah, but how long ago was the interview conducted?
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Not to sound like a mean person, but Ed Fries is a complete and total dumb ass when it comes to gaming. Microsoft came to my University to look for talent and several of us got to meet with Fries about the Xbox and how they were looking to hire tons of people to work on it(they did hire 6 people from my school alone to work on one of the many Xbox teams). We were asking him so many business, gaming, industry, etc questions and would either say I don't know or whisper to who he was there with and would say that can't be discussed right now. He's just a puppet. Now I didn't even put in an application to work there, I was mainly there to see what kind of dirt I could dig up on the Xbox. One of my friends from school did get hired on there and he loves it somedays, and hates it the others. But as he said, "they fucking give us whatever we want". He said in his office he has a Sony WEGA TV, a couch, development station, and a mini fridge. I was hoping to get to visit him sometime after the launch. Last time I talked to him they were working 16+ hour days and he didn't have time to do anything but debug, debug, and debug, and that was in the middle of August. He said that they are still hunting for good people.
 

Aaron Copeland

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OK, this is silly. Why are you people canceling pre-orders for the XBOX over this progressive DVD issue? It's foolish, IMO. Were you buying it to watch movies or play games??? It's a freaking CONSOLE (i.e. It's primary function is VIDEO GAMES). Sure, it would have been cool if it could, but it should have NEVER been the basis for purchasing one. The GAMES are the most important feature of a console. Period. It will still have the ability to deliver games in hi-def and 5.1 surround glory.
Surely, I would have thought some of you would have learned not to count on a feature like that after the PS2. It's DVD player is pretty poor...but did I care? Not at all. I bought it so I could play games.
What are you gaining by canceling your XBOX orders? Now you won't have the games either. If that's OK with you...then you were buying it for all the wrong reasons in the first place. Get your priorities straight. If you want a progressive scan DVD player, quite a few of them can be had for $250 or less these days. Cheaper than the XBOX. Go get one of those. You obviously won't miss the games since they were apparently not that important to you anyway.
Aaron
[Edited last by Aaron Copeland on September 19, 2001 at 01:22 PM]
 

Joel Mack

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Gee, Aaron, didn't mean to personally offend you by cancelling my preorder.
I was deciding between XBox and GCN for a launch-day purchase (can't afford both right away), and although Nintendo's launch game lineup was more appealing to me, the possibility of progressive scan, coupled with actually being able to pre-order one, as opposed to taking my chances on launch day, tilted the scale in Microsoft's favor.
I still want an XBox, but I'm no longer willing to buy games I don't neccessarily want (in a bundle) to get one without progressive scan.
I was probably too hasty in preordering one to begin with. I was under the (perhaps) mistaken impression that the XBox ProgScan would do 540p or 1080i (the only HD modes my projector supports) for DVD and would do those resolutions plus the 480p in games. Further research would seem to indicate that wasn't the case, anyhow. I'd have cancelled for that reason, whether they pulled the ProgScan completely or not.
I'll revisit the XBox possibilities sometime next year...
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Morgan Jolley

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Aaron-
It looks like people are cancelling preorders for the X-Box because of the reason why they should have gotten it in the first place--they have no reason to buy it because they don't like the games for it and just wanted a DVD player. MS wanted to separate itself from DVD players and computers, but has done quite little to accomplish that.
From whats going on, it seems like people would choose GCN over XB for games, but want a DVD player. I think its funny.
 

Wolf Jenkins

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Porting is a great idea. Make that GREAT.
Amen.
Is it just me, or do some members seem like they have no clue about the realities of the game software industry?
There are a few companies that make a ton of money. Many others, even with great games, don't do very well at all and go under or have to focus on a couple of franchise games and get stale.
Porting gives companies a wider possible distribution for their games. More revenue gives them the possibility of getting distribution for smaller, less well known projects (and sometimes for avante garde, edgy, or innovative games that just aren't simple sequels and rehashes.)
Porting is necessary, it isn't evil, and is a good idea or game companies. Sure, I can agree that sometimes its a pain for the manic, obsessive fan who simply must have EVERY version of a game an dthen buys every console, but it is something that we should all really support, as the economics of the game industry are tough. I can think of many games that I really want/wanted to play that got cancelled, less effort, didn't get converted from Japan, or whatever because of money and the possibility of slow sales.
sigh.
 

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