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New Toy, New Toy, Woo Hoo.. (Router + Router Table)

Discussion in 'Home Theater Projects' started by Brett DiMichele, Jul 20, 2003.

  1. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Well-Known Member

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    So I have been wanting my own router now for some time.. I
    mean it's nice of my friend to lend me his 50 year old
    decrepid Craftsman and all but I just don't like borrowing
    tools.. So today I went router shopping..

    I looked at DeWalt, Makita, Porter Cable, Black&Decker, Milauwkee(Sp?),
    Bosh and Ryobi.

    Out of all that I looked at the Bosh was honestly the best
    one out of the bunch with the DeWalt pulling a close second.

    Both were Plunge Routers but for my useage I couldn't see
    shelling out $200-$220.00 for these units. I went with the
    Ryobi 1.75 Horse Non Plunge with the Ryobi Table for, get
    this... $99.00! I realize this stuff is made in china like
    everything else.. I just don't see how they can make the
    stuff so good and sell it so cheap. I have a bunch of other
    Ryobi power tools and they have never failed me and always
    done the job so I know this router will do the same.

    Here are some pics [​IMG]

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  2. Allen Ross

    Allen Ross Well-Known Member

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    not bad, seems like a great price, i will be getting the basic rockler.com table and legs (full size, not bench top) next paycheck, which should work marvelous with my Porter Cable 960. I will post some pics and some shots of the nice lock miter i will be doing with it.

    Also if you are going to be doing some serious routing, def get some dust control on that, MDF will kill that router faster then 22,000 RPMS of fun [​IMG]
     
  3. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Well-Known Member

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    Allen,

    Post some pics of that bad boy when you get it! Yeah the
    MDF dust flies when you start routing that for sure.. The
    good thing is that if throws all the dust upwards out of
    the blade guard.. the bad news is that without dust control
    it lands on you [​IMG] I was covered!
     
  4. Hank Frankenberg

    Hank Frankenberg Well-Known Member

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    Congrats Brett! Now go forth and produce MDF dust. If the table doesn't have a dust collecting attachment, try to fabricate one. I really recommend dust collecting router or table attachments - that MDF dust is unhealthy and covers everythin in the area.
     
  5. Jack Gilvey

    Jack Gilvey Well-Known Member

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    Cool stuff. I'd like to get a table and try something other than a butt joint. Take it easy with the MDF, though, or avoid it, that's a small motor to be trying to do major removal.

     
  6. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Well-Known Member

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    Jack... I took a 3/8" Rabbet cut 3/8" deep with this thing
    and it never flinched... That's even with a garbage HSS bit
    not a Carbide [​IMG]


    The table has two attatchment points for dust removal. You
    can remove the plate on the back of the fence and attatch a
    collector there or you can simply attatch a shop vac hose
    right to the top of the blade sheild and it sucks it right
    through the top.

    I am a believer in Ryobi's quality.. Especialy compared to
    Some of the other companies (excluding Bosh).. Bosh really
    impresses me! DeWalt would probably be my second choice if
    I really wanted to just spend more money [​IMG]
     
  7. Jack Gilvey

    Jack Gilvey Well-Known Member

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  8. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Well-Known Member

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    Jack actually $99 was including the table.. The router it's
    self really isn't that expensive. I do think I am going to
    buy the 2.5 Horse Ryobi Plunge Router also.. It's not that
    expensive and would be good to have.

    I am buying a bit set next week if I get a chance. They are
    all carbide toothed ball bearing jobs, they come in a
    package for $100.00 and you get the Ogee's the Roundovers,
    the Flush Trim Bits, Pannel Bits etc.
     
  9. Jack Gilvey

    Jack Gilvey Well-Known Member

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    I find the plunge feature on mine indispensable for speaker cutouts, wouldn't do without it. I fix it in place for roundover, flush/laminate trim, stuff like that.

    Have you tried Baltic Birch? $15 for a 2' x 4' at Home Depot, but much easier and healthier to work...lighter, too.
    In any event, you'll find dust collection to be very helpful. Even working outdoors, I use mine every time.

    The panel bits will really test your motor, I think I'd avoid that work unless you go with a 2.5 or 3 Hp.
     
  10. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Well-Known Member

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    Nope haven't tried Birch.. Looks like it's fairly workable
    stuff and probably easier on bits and blades than MDF but
    for girth and acoustial deadness MDF is hard stuff to beat.

    I have seen some really nice finished done on bare bich
    ply's though, that looked superb!


    I am not sure what you do with those pannel bits? why would
    they tax the motor worse than a 1/2" Roundover? You need to
    explain these things to me since I have no panelworking
    experiance and have no clue what those bits do [​IMG]

    Yeah I guess when working out of the table the plunge
    feature would come in very handy. Especially when doing
    multiple operations.. I may go for the plunge job next
    week or the week after.. Having two routers is never a bad
    thing [​IMG] And yes the dust collection will be very appreciated.
    I was doing the work outside wearing a mask but I got so
    covered in dust.. My car is an MDF dust covered mess....
     
  11. Jack Gilvey

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  12. Bob Kavanaugh

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    Not that you appear to want to make thousands of panels with your router, but a panel cutting jig for your tablesaw will make nice simple raised panels in no time.
     
  13. Chris-Lip

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    Nice setup Brett, I too bought a new router, I chose the Bosch, now I am not so sure it was a good choice. I made a lot of dust and cut a lot of holes in single and double layer 3/4" mdf and the thing died. It slowly but surely turned slower and slower and the motor started sounding like an lawn mower before the end. Menards however exchanged it for me no questions asked, hopefully it was just a bad unit....
     
  14. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Well-Known Member

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    Chris,

    Wow I can't believe a Bosch died on you.. Generaly speaking
    I think Bosch is higher in the food chain than most other
    professional brands. I can't speak for the Ryobi's longevity
    since I haven't really used it yet other than playing
    around. But considering I took a full 3/8 in one pass and
    it was a clean cut, that leads me to believe the motor has
    some balls. Ryobi does recommend making nuerous passes to
    acheive depth though (they all do) to avoid gouging and
    kick backs plus make it easier on the router and bit.

    Sorry to hear your Bosch died.


    Jack,

    Birch may have more "torsional rigidity" than MDF but it's
    certainly not more acousticaly dead.. Birch is used in horn
    enclosures for a reason.. It resonates in a much higher
    frequency than MDF does. Either is a fine material though.
    MDF has some drawbacks but the girth makes it nice for
    building solid enclosures..
     
  15. Jack Gilvey

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    You can smell when working with wood? I use a full respirator when I'm cutting since I dont have any sort of dust evacuation equipment and I cant smell a dang thing [​IMG]
     
  17. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Well-Known Member

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    Jack,

    By Girth I mean it's weight.. Improper useage of the word
    I guess...


    Birch has it's place for full range stuff also.. More in
    the form of Transmission Lines, Folded Horns, Open Baffels
    and such. Some guys say they prefer the resonance that Ply's
    "add" to horns.. I dunno..

    Kyle,

    Wish I had a respirator.. Instead I am breathing all that
    lovely formaldahyde.. But the question is what is worse..
    The MDF Dust or the Ciggarettes I smoke? LOL (I do wear a
    passive mask and I do all the work outside FWIW)
     
  18. Mark_E_Smith

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    May I recomend a Lockmiter bit for your router. It will make life much easier esp with BB as you can use the natural veneer with perfect 45 deg miters that are square I fought plain miters and never was able to make a square box much less 2 of the same [​IMG] any way with the lock miter it was dead on first time.
     
  19. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Well-Known Member

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    Mark,

    I appreciate the advise but I have no plans on using Birch
    Ply and I use either Rabbets or Butt Joints.

    But again thanks for the advice, I am sure someone will
    benefit from it.
     
  20. Bob Kavanaugh

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    No doubt. I have been looking into buying a lock miter bit for some time, but worried about the setup and my 1.5 hp router struggling through MDF. Baltic Birch Ply sounds like something I might try.

    I have to ask again Brett... how is your audio rack coming along?
     

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