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My first "serious" camera: Looking for thoughts on Canon EOS Rebel T2i or better

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Ronald Epstein, Jul 5, 2010.

  1. Ronald Epstein

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    Mike,


    I should look into the Sony Cybershot as a

    consideration as well.


    Almost pulled the plug on the Canon G11

    this afternoon. But then I read Sam's post

    about a possible G12 in the next few months

    and I decided to wait.


    ....but I am interested to see how well the

    Sony Cybershots are. I hear that having the

    flash raised above the body of the camera

    (as opposed to Canon putting it in the body)

    reduces red eye significantly more.
     
  2. Mike Frezon

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    The higher the flash the better, Ron. The Cybershot raises it some...but not as much as will eliminate red eye altogether. But, honestly, we have had very few red eye issues with that camera.


    Another nice thing is that it's easy to turn the flash off and, in many instances, is not needed. Flash photography is something i haven't really mastered--even with the OM-10.


    The Cybershot above is currently listed at $385 @ amazon, I got it for much less many months ago at Best Buy. I don't remember exactly, but i'd say it was in the low $200s on sale. The nice thing about that is you can check it out in-store and give it a bit of a test run--and rack up some RewardZone points, if interested.


    I'd be glad to post some shots I've taken with the camera here...but I doubt that would really be of much help.
     
  3. Cameron Yee

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    This was posted today and seems to illustrate the comments about what a pro can do with a modest camera. He doesn't really help his case by busting out all his pro lighting gear, but it's impressive nonetheless.


    http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/07/fashion-photo-shoot-conducted-using-iphone-3gs/
     
  4. Scott Merryfield

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    Mike,


    Since you have extensive experience shooting with a film SLR, you should not have a very big learning curve if you decide to transition to a dSLR. The basic photography principles still apply -- a proper exposure is still compromised by the proper combination of shutter speed, aperture and ISO. Proper shutter speeds to freeze motion and reduce/eliminate camera shake still apply, and the concept of controlling depth of field via aperture is still the same.


    The big advantages of digital are (1) seeing the results of your settings immediately (as you mentioned), (2) being able to adjust ISO without changing film (and less noise at higher ISO), (3) being able to experiment more because you do not have to develop all your shots, (4) modern equipment have some very handy features, such as advanced auto focus modes, adjustable white balance, and image stabilization.



    Ron,


    One of the advantages of the Canon Powershot line is the hot shoe for attaching an external flash. Using an external flash is your best way to eliminate red eye, as well as to get rid of that "flash" look of shots taken with a built-in flash. With an external flash, you can also bounce the light off a wall or ceiling to diffuse the light, making it look much less harsh.


    The Sony Cybershot may also support an external flash -- I do not know, as I am not familiar with Sony's camera line.
     
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  6. Ronald Epstein

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    I think I will remain with the Canon brand.


    I bought a Canon Speedlight 420EX years

    ago when I bought my Powershot G6. Never

    used it because I never took the time to figure

    out how.


    (that should prove I should stay away from DSLR)


    But there was a good point made here that the

    Canon line has the hot shoe in case I take the

    time to figure out that speedlight -and- it shoots

    in RAW.


    BTW, if anyone has a very quick explanation

    on how to best use these speelights it would

    help immensely.


    Thanks so much for all the help you have

    provided here.
     
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    There is no quick way to learn lighting. Of all the assorted skills associated with photography learning to appropriately add dimension with flash is probably the most complicated.


    Multi volume books are dedicated to the subject.


    I'd start at www.strobist.com and give that a look. But, and I mean this with all sincerity and am not trying to be a jerk, if you arent willing to learn the fundamentals of digital photography (aperture, shutter speed, ISO) enough to understand a DSLR then don't even think about learning how to control flash.


    Sam
     
  8. Ronald Epstein

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    No, Sam, you are not sounding like a jerk. You
    have been quite helpful, and really, I understand

    where you are coming from.


    This thread has brought a great deal of realization

    and I thank all of you for that.


    I am the kind of guy that has all kinds of gadgets

    but very little time. Having a job and this forum
    doesn't leave much time to learn how to use things.


    All the electronics I own are capable of very complex

    tasks yet (for most of them) I only use the basic

    functionality.


    For me to sit and learn how to use a complex

    DSLR would be impossible. Yet, I do want a

    camera that takes INCREDIBLE pictures despite

    the fact I would probably just throw it in AUTO mode.


    Same for the Speedlight. Bought the thing but

    once I started reading the instruction manual I

    found it a bit complex to figure out. I am glad

    Sam pointed out there are books about speedlights --

    this way I don't feel too stupid.


    Still going to buy a camera. Just have to figure

    out whether to go for the G11 this week or wait

    for a G12.
     
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    I agree with Sam, Ron. Lighting is probably the most difficult aspect of photography to learn... and master. While I am very comfortable shooting in natural light, I struggle with artificial lighting. I do own an external flash and know the basics for getting a halfway decent on-camera flash shot, but my skills are really lacking here compared to a skilled studio photographer.


    The link below will give you the basics for flash photography with the Canon EOS system. I believe it would also translate well to the Canon Powershot line, too.


    http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/
     
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    I think there are new digital cameras that allow you to tap the LCD screen to focus on the area of the screen being tapped or touched upon. Of course, you burn up your batteries using the LCD screen in that manner, but you get the idea, there are some crazy features built into today's digital cameras.


    Just google on "camera touchscreen lcd".
     
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    Another plug for EVIL/ 4/3rds, from someone we trust:

    http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/2478618,ihnatko-micro-four-thirds-070810.article
     
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    The chief gripe I have about the 4/3rds system is the dearth of compelling lenses. There are too many middle-of-road zooms as opposed to fast primes. It was frustrating when Panasonic chose to add a fisheye lens instead of a 135mm equivalent prime to their lens line-up. So while I mostly agree with Inhatko, if it's going to be truly embraced as a "take anywhere" SLR (and in my case, take to a concert), then they need to reflect that in their lens line up.


    That said, I do think that for photographers the 4/3rds system represents an affordable entry point into a rangefinder-type experience. And even though the most interesting lenses at this point are fixed, "normal" focal lengths, I see tremendous value in working within those "constraints."
     
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    Okay...here I am again.


    I have been out at Comic-Con 2010 this week with my

    colleagues, Adam Gregorich, Neil Middlemiss and Cameron

    Yee. All three gentlemen brought their DSLR cameras.
    I had the opportunity to really look at the kind of pictures

    these cameras take as well as the advantages of having

    a DSLR over a point-and-shoot.


    I learned quite a bit from these guys. Most of all, I
    realized that if I wanted to cover HTF events and take

    pictures of the front of the room from the back, I would

    need a telephoto lense, I am very impressed with how

    tight an image these cameras can take from a distance

    using telephoto. My Powershot G6 couldn't even come

    close.


    Neil Middlemiss just bought a Nikon 5000d kit for
    around $800. It comes with camera, 18-55 IS and 55-200

    lenses as well as a memory card and bag. Not bad

    for the price and the camera is HIGHLY rated. I had

    decided that I would purchase that same camera kit.


    ...but then tonight I realized that I have a Canon
    Speedlight that I did not want to go to waste. For
    that reason I figured I would spend a little more money

    and go for the Canon EOS Rebel T2i with the included

    18-55 IS lens and then purchase an additional telephoto

    55-200 IS lens.


    So, what I need from all of you is to look the following

    over and make certain I am buying the right lens to

    match the camera.


    First, here is the Canon EOS Rebel T2i with 18-55 IS lens:


    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Canon+-+EOS+Rebel+T2i+18.0-Megapixel+Digital+SLR+Camera+-+Black/9778635.p?id=1218171770784&skuId=9778635&st=canon%20rebel%20ts21&contract_desc=null


    Next, here is the Telephoto lens I am looking to purchase:


    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Canon+-+55-250mm+f/4-5.6+Telephoto+Zoom+Lens+for+Select+Canon+Cameras/8758114.p?skuId=8758114&IcsCsid=2-39-798-25-2-43892-40477-25-798-604-25-798-2390-0-1&id=1205245979459


    Now would THIS telephoto lens priced at $200 more get me in even tighter

    than the one above?

    http://www.amazon.com/Canon-100mm-Macro-Lens-Cameras/dp/B00004XOM3/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1279951480&sr=8-6


    Anything else you can recommend? Some lens covers or effect lenses?



    And I saved the best for last....


    My Dad, who passed away years ago, was into photography.

    He left behind a camera bag filled with expensive SLR lenses.
    Didn't even think about it till today. Think they are Canon lenses.

    I was told those lenses would probably fit my Canon Rebel camera.


    I am in San Diego this week but when I get home I am going

    to look at those lenses and perhaps I will not need to buy any

    extra lenses and just use those. Any thoughts? I take it that

    most likely I can use film camera lenses with the DSLR?
     
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    Like I said, my advice is to go with the Costco kit if you can find it. I think our local has a t1i kit still. The old canon lenses should all work as long as they aren't ae1 era screw mounts, but most likely you will have to focus manually.
     
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    Sam,


    Thank you.


    If I can't find the kit -- and I'm not a Costco member so

    I doubt I will join just to do that -- can you comment on
    the items that I linked for purchase, particularly the
    difference in the two telephoto lenses I am looking to

    purchase. One is two hundred the other is six.


    Thanks.
     
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    I have had a Canon Rebel SX for over 1-1/2 years and have been very pleased with it. The T2i is one of Canon's new Rebel and looks like a nice camera. The 55-250 telephoto that comes with this kit is very nice as well. It has Image Stabilizer, which is very important for a telephoto lens. This is very important for a telephoto lens.

    The other lens is a macro lens. This is for taking very close-up shots where you want to get details, like very close-ups of flowers or bugs. This is not a lens you would want.


    I have been following your adventures at Comic-Con through your facebook postings. It appears you are having a great time.
     
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    http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11480706&whse=BC&Ne=5000001+4000000&eCat=BC|79|83&N=4040592%204294967213&Mo=1&No=1&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=


    And add the 70-300 on top of that once you get more serious.


    Doesn't look like they have the t2i yet, just the t1i.

    http://www.costco.com/Browse/ProductSet.aspx?Prodid=11536255&whse=BC&Ne=5000001+4000000&eCat=BC|79|83&N=4040592%204294967258&Mo=8&No=8&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=


    If you want I'll gladly take you to costco when you get back from SDCC and if you decided to go down this route you could either pay by cash or I'd put on Amex and have you pay me. They don't take other credit cards except Amex tied to your account. Or you could join.
     

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