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multi-criteria tournament

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by george kaplan, Jan 4, 2003.

  1. george kaplan

    george kaplan Well-Known Member

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    We have these tourneys and there's always lots of disagreements, at least in part because of the different criteria we bring to bear. So, I thought it would be good to have a tourney where the criteria was explicit and see what happens.
    For each matchup you will cast 4 votes.
    1 - film you'd rather see (let's say you're on a flight and you get to pick which of the two films they play (uncensored [​IMG])
    2 - the more serious film
    3 - the film that is better art
    4 - which film you think is better overall (however you define that)
    Now, for all of us, some of these categories are going to be redundant. But, I think which categories are redundant are going to vary from person to person. For example, some (like me) will see no difference between 1 or 3, whereas I know some will not think 1 and 3 are the same at all.
    As far as the films, I'm stealing the top 64 from the HTF 100 revote thread and just using those.
    Please cast 4 votes even if they are all the same. For example: Film X vs. Film Y
    rather watch: X
    more serious: X
    better art: Y
    better film: X
    Bracket 1:
    Taxi Driver vs. Sunset Blvd
     
  2. Paul_D

    Paul_D Well-Known Member

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    1 Sunset Blvd Less of a downer, though still barely uplifting. Good enough reason?
    2 Sunset Blvd They're both very serious films, but I find the story of SB more compelling/gripping.
    3 Taxi Driver It's masterfully made and contains some perfectly designed shots. I also think it handles a tricky concept with wit, and an appropriate grim reality. It also has one of my favourite Herrman film scores.
    4 Sunset Blvd As good as I think TD is, there's a gradeur that comes with SB. It's a magnificent film, marveelously played, and with a script that touches at the very core of its characters.[/end pretentious ramble] [​IMG]
     
  3. Jim_K

    Jim_K Well-Known Member

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    rather watch: Taxi Driver
    more serious: Taxi Driver - close
    better art: Taxi Driver - close
    better film: Taxi Driver
    George,
    I'd suggest another category: More entertaining: although it'll probably stir up some hot debates with some around here. [​IMG]
     
  4. Walter Kittel

    Walter Kittel Well-Known Member

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    Rather Watch: Taxi Driver - More involving due to DeNiro's performance, and easier to relate to given the time difference and settings of the films.
    More Serious: Taxi Driver - Tempted to vote for S.B., but T.D.'s themes of isolation and disaffection with society are fairly serious and are probably more relevant.
    Better Art: Sunset Blvd. - The film's examination of the nature of stardom, the dialogue, the surreal aspects of Norma Desmond's life, and the cinematography all give the film a more artistic flair.
    Better Film: Taxi Driver - Mostly on the basis of emotional committment. DeNiro's Travis Bickle had more impact upon me than any of the characters in Sunset Blvd.. Very close.
    - Walter.
     
  5. ChuckDeLa

    ChuckDeLa Well-Known Member

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    Why do I feel like George has an agenda with this tourney?

    Anyhoo, abstain... only seen about 15 minutes of Sunset Blvd.
     
  6. Jan H

    Jan H Well-Known Member

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    Rather Watch: Sunset Blvd.
    More Serious: Taxi Driver - only because it's more "grisly".
    Better Art: Tie
    Better Film: Toss-up
     
  7. Dome Vongvises

    Dome Vongvises Well-Known Member

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    ChuckDeLa said:
     
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    rather watch: Sunset Blvd.
    more serious: Sunset Blvd.
    better art: Sunset Blvd.
    better film: Sunset Blvd.
     
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    rather watch: Sunset Blvd.
    more serious: Taxi Driver
    better art: Sunset Blvd.
    better film: Sunset Blvd.
     
  10. george kaplan

    george kaplan Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure. [​IMG] Honestly, I don't really know what you think my 'agenda' is. I just thought it would be interesting to see how these different criteria would modify the results. As far as the films I picked, I wanted to look at all 100 films on the HTF list, but didn't want to push this to 128, and just couldn't decide which ones to eliminate, so I just took the top 64, although I really would like to see how films like Do The Right Thing would compare across these categories.
     
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    Rather Watch: Sunset Boulevard
    More Serious: Taxi Driver
    Better Art: Taxi Driver
    Better Film: Sunset Boulevard
     
  12. Jim_K

    Jim_K Well-Known Member

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    But you do think of Rather Watch & Better Film as separate categories? Sorry but I'm not understanding your thought process now.

    I know where you're trying to go with this experiment (and I might tend to slightly agree with you in theory) but you totally threw me off with this.

    I'll still play along here but I do hope the future match-ups become a little more challenging lets say by pitting some HTF holy grails, fan-boy favorites & critically acclaimed untouchables against each other.
     
  13. Dome Vongvises

    Dome Vongvises Well-Known Member

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    Jim_K said:
     
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    After rethinking, I changed one of my votes.
     
  15. george kaplan

    george kaplan Well-Known Member

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    I don't know which specific films you're after, but the films in this tournament are the top 64 in the list from this thread
     
  16. SteveGon

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    Rather watch: Sunset Blvd.
    More serious: Taxi Driver
    Better art: Sunset Blvd.
    Better film: can't decide
    Very tough matchup!
     
  17. george kaplan

    george kaplan Well-Known Member

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    The results:
    rather watch: Sunset Blvd
    more serious: Taxi Driver
    better art: Sunset Blvd (I broke this tie)
    better film: Sunset Blvd
    I should mention that I'm trying to count these votes very carefully, but if I make a mistake at some point, I apologize in advance [​IMG]
    Next bracket,
    To Kill a Mockingbird vs. Duck Soup
     
  18. SteveGon

    SteveGon Well-Known Member

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    abstain
    Haven't seen Duck Soup in a really, really long time.
     
  19. Walter Kittel

    Walter Kittel Well-Known Member

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    To Kill A Mockingbird - all four categories.
    - Walter.
     
  20. Rob Tomlin

    Rob Tomlin Well-Known Member

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    Yet another great idea for a tourney George!
    I think I'm glad I missed the first bracket, since I absolutely love both Taxi Driver and Sunset Boulevard.
    I probably would vote like this:
    Rather watch: Taxi Driver (barely)
    More serious: Draw
    Better art: Taxi Driver (slightly better cinematography, and perfectly captures the streets of New York)
    Better film: Taxi Driver (by a very slim margin)
     

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