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Microsoft pulls a 180 (heh) on Xbone DRM

Discussion in 'Gaming' started by Sam Posten, Jun 19, 2013.

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  1. Sam Posten

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    This kind of bums me out a little tho, I was never one of the ones truly up in arms. Microsoft's proposed scheme would have been better for me in many ways:

    -Hurting gamestop
    -Allowing me to share my games with my nephews and other friends
    -Allowing me to buy games at retail discounted prices and then convert them to full digital immediately.
     
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    I don't see where either of the bottom two are changed in any way.

    In regards to the top 1, realize you aren't just hurting Gamestop, Sam, you're hurting a lot of people who buy and sell used on places like Craigslist, Ebay, etc. direct to other consumers; and you're preventing people from being unreturnable "lemons" in titles, etc. or passing them on to someone who might like them.
     
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    What he said.

    Anyway, good for Microsoft for doing the right thing (right for their bottom line, I'm sure, but right in general as well).
     
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    I'm not too surprised. I'm still sticking with the PS4 though.
     
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    Unfortunately I think a lot of damage will be done by this because whilst the policy may be changing now, whats to stop them altering it again once enough people have purchased the console.

    A shame really, but I suspect whilst they may well convince some to now buy the console, I think they have probably lost of lot of trust from hardcore games and can imagine some picking up the PS4 now instead.

    Me, Im happy with the 360 really :)
     
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    LOL Xbone...

    I was mildly concerned with the DRM and the "always online" factor of the new console as I hardly ever sell a used game (hoarders rarely sell stuff) and I expect my console to be online all the time anyway. But the fact that Microsoft is willing to bow to its fan-base and roll back some fairly large characteristics of this new console speaks volumes to me. Now, if they would just drop the price so I can afford playing as Jago SOONER that would be great...
     
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    I am surprised. But I'll stick with the PS4 as well.
     
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    They announced that family sharing is dead too:

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/rumor-microsoft-set-to-reverse-controversial-game-licensing-policies/

    I get that others besides Gamestop would be hurt. But the sooner that vampirish bloodsucker is dead the better for the industry as a whole. F the pawnshop mentality.

    More details at Engadget. Quite frankly it doesn't seem to be too well thought out:
    http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-drm-marc-whitten/
     
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    Bravo M$! Xbox 1 is back on my Christmas list and long live physical media.
     
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    I don't know much (nothing) about video games but how do used games hurt the industry? Or more specifically, I would think that the good of the used market would outweigh the bad since anything that allows people to play a game seems like it would be a boost to the industry in the end.
     
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    Microsoft just gave you a faster horse instead of an automobile...
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    Remember before you get to thinking I'm being snarky here, I preordered mine just about as early as humanly possible. I'm in either way, I thought maybe MS would keep the cool digital perks for those who buy em that way, sad that they are lost forever. Look at that list of lost perks again:

    I'm a huge fan of steam. These features were actually better than what Steam allows.
     
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    Not a single penny spent on used games ever goes to a developer's pockets.
     
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    I understand that but like I said, I think that someone playing a game- whoever is getting the money- keeps up interest in the industry as a whole and that's worth the trade off. I have little to no interest in video games (the only reason I'm in this thread is to get an idea of what is happening with the new systems) but the prices that they go for would stop me from buying anything but what I was absolutely positive that was going to like. Drop the price $10 or $20 or $30, I'd be more inclined to buy more games and that would benefit the industry.
     
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    I suspect they watched pre-order volume and drove the decision based upon that. It's not shocking to notice that the PS4 launch was sold out much faster.

    I do enjoy digital distribution, as a massive Steam user, however Microsoft's original XBOne plan was just wrong. Until they have the same great prices and weekend deals Steam does, the digital platform is just a higher priced medium with no real benefits I would use.
     
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    You can't look at it as one big sum. You have to look at it from all sides. Gamers have been conditioned to expect that they can get used games almost immediately from a game's launch. They can wait as little as 3 days and buy a AAA title and none of that money goes to the dev. They can then trade that game in any time and the used title can be sold to another buyer, none of that money goes to a dev. You have a shadow market where only initial sales go to the makers and then the vast long tail they never get a cent from it.

    It's leeching out money from Devs hands from the start.
     
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    The flip side to this though is it's money the developers weren't going to see anyway. The developers got there money when it was purchased the first time. People buying the used game are the people who might not of been as committed to the game as to want to drop the $59. I'd also argue that there a lot of people buying used games are also the collector types buying lots of new games, similar to the torrenting movie/music stuff that the industry doesn't want people to know about.

    Me personally, I don't have a dog in this race. Unless it's a used game for an older system, I rarely buy used. I tend to wait for "Game of the Year"/"Ultimate edition" versions of the games I like to buy once they go on sale, with the odd exception.
     
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    If ms had said: new games have drm, yes, but they will be $30 or less because the dev knows they don't have o compete against used.. I think people would take the trade off. But when the same title was on both ps4 and Xbox one, both for $59, all a consumer could see was stick and no carrot. And the daily checking was stupid. Even steam doesn't do that. Ms hasn't done that. Activate once and that's it.
     
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    Absolute nonsense. Quite a lot of the money spent on new games comes from the sale proceeds and/ or trade credit from used games. Granted, it's an indirect chain -- credit from game A funds the purchase of game B, but that works both ways.

    The idea that new game purchases are funded by a magical money-pool that has no relation to the used game market is absurd.
     

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