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[DaveF]

Would this have been effective with you and your friends a decade ago? Is this effective with your friends today?

I ask in all sincerity. I've never used an online music piracy system. I have and will share music with friends, but not in the Napster style. But what I've seen is that people don't care: "education" is irrelevant.

Ease of access and pricing is all that matters. Making it easier to buy music legitimately than it to pirate the same is the most effective approach -- and to the end the music industry insists on cutting off its nose to spite its face. iTunes is likely the most effective offense against piracy so far.

And The Spirits of Tomorrow is a good tune. I hope you can get it to iTunes or Amazon so I can buy it

 

[Edwin-S]

I listened to both of your sample songs. I definitely thought the instrumental "Spirits of Tomorrow" was better than "Mona Lisa". Is Joe Satriani an influence because the first half of "Spirits" reminded me of his style, both in guitar playing and writing? "Mona Lisa", to me, seems to be in the style of System of a Down, but lighter and with no vulgarity.

 

[drobbins]

I checked out Mona Lisa. It is definitely the genre of music that I am interested in. I enjoyed listening to it and could listen to it again. But to answer your question - Would I pay a $1.00 for it? Right now the answer is probably "no". It is not that there is anything wrong with it, it is just that I don't need it. Kind of like the candy bars at the grocery store check out. I like them and would eat one if t was given to me, but I rarely buy one. Now if I had the chance to listen to it many times over the course of a week or two, it may grow on me, or it may not. If it did, I would want to listen to more of your music and I would buy the CD.

I think when defining if any business is "loosing money", it needs to be clarified that it is an actual loss. For instance if I had the opportunity to download your song and did not pay for it, you did not loose any money because at this point because I would not buy it anyway. Now If I like the song enough and want better quality, than the p2p used to offer, or want more of your music, I would then buy your cd. If at this point I got a copy from a friend, this is when you loose money. Remember what something is worth is defined by what someone is willing to pay for it. I just sold a 2002 Ford escort. Its bluebook value was $2,700, but after trying to sell it for over a month with over 20 people test driving it and making offers, I was able to get only $2,000 for it. That it what the car was worth. I did not "loose" $700.

 

[Brian Dobbs]

Here's a BBC article that supports my idea on education...

BBC NEWS | Technology | What will stop you from pirating?

 

[DaveF]

Ironically, in your thread railing against copyright infringement, you violated the BBC's copyright by reproducing their article without permission.

 

[Jeff Gatie]

Feargal Sharkey? Bureaucratic music industry representation from the kid who sang "Teenage Kicks" and "Here Comes The Summer"?

What's next, Johnny Rotten running for Parliament?

 

[drobbins]

Thats why I stopped. I never thought about it being stealing until the big media blitz. My conscious was bothering me and it was awkward when my then younger kids would ask why I was downloading if it was stealing. So I stopped. Like I said though, an unexpected side effect is that I have spent maybe $40.00 total on music in the years since then. Much less than before.

 

[DaveF]

The thought of it being theft doesn't concern me. I buy music I want, but I'd like to share and try new music I'm uncertain about or is hard to buy.

But I'm not willing to risk my house for a couple of songs.

 

[Clinton McClure]

I stopped "illegal downloading" when people began being prosecuted for file sharing. If I want a song now, and can find it on Napster, I'll pay $1 for it. If I can't, I don't get the song. I absolutely refuse to pay $15-$18 for a CD with one good song on it and, aside from a copy of Abby Road, I haven't bought a CD in many, many years.

 

[Yee-Ming]

I was just watching the DVD Classic Albums on Duran Duran's Rio, where Roger Taylor was talking about how he had to do each of his drum tracks in one complete take (none of the modern-day computer editing thing), and especially for 12" dance remixes, his fear was always that as he reached the end of a 10 minute performance, that he'd make a mistake and the entire take would have to be binned and he'd have to do it all over again...

 

[Lucia Duran]

That is it for me as well. I hate buying a cd only to like maybe 1 or 2 songs. That is why I like the idea of being able to by individual tracks on itunes.

 

[Steve_Tk]

I'm the same way. I'm not paying $10 for a CD with 11 bad songs and the one "hit" single. Come to think of it, I wouldn't want a CD anymore anyway. They take up more space and it's not as easy to shuffle from song to song from many different bads. However, I love the digital aspect and MP3 players. I buy a few songs a month on itunes. I do BUY them though.

 

[drobbins]

When I stopped the p2p free music downloading, we got into the itunes mode. Now comes the issue of changing technologies. My son bought maybe $75 worth of music from itunes with gift cards he received. He just now bought a cell phone with texting and it can play mp3s. He doesn't want to carry the ipod and phone if the phone can do both functions. All the itunes he bought are mp4s and are protected so they won't play on his new phone . This is where the music industries greed comes in. They would have us buy all the songs that we already paid for and own, again. And I am willing to bet a new technology will be out in a few more years.

 

[Jeff Gatie]

Actually, DRM files are going the way of the dinosaur. There is no way iTunes can continue to compete with Amazon's DRM-free, high bitrate, cheaper MP3's. They have a selection almost as broad as iTunes, good quality (256bps) and great prices. Haven't purchased iTunes in months (not that I ever really did that much) and all my nieces and nephews are getting Amazon cards for X-Mas.

 

[drobbins]

It wouldn't even be that bad if ipod came out with a low cost phone that could be used with any cell phone service. I will definitely be checking out Amazon's selection.

 

[DaveF]

I hope iTunes moves to higher bitrate, DRM-free music. But I think it's got good life left in its current setup. iTunes is a better and easier shopping experience than Amazon, has a better brand name for music, and is better integrated with iPods. And most people don't care about bitrates or DRM.

 

[drobbins]

75 songs with about 10 per CD thats 11 CDs plus time involved. It is almost better to repurchase them. :frowning:

 

[Jeff Gatie]

Hence the reason iTunes migration to DRM-Free is about as fast as the migration of your average sea sponge. Jobs can say he is embracing DRM-Free all he wants, but at this rate he'll have about 30 cd's out of 5 million converted in the next 10 years.

 

[DaveF]

Make your son do it. How much could his time be worth? He probably wastes more time texting his friends about how much it bites to have to rebuy all the music.

 

[drobbins]

You might be on to something there.