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From one of my faves:
Cameron Yee said:From one of my faves:
Just read it. Brilliant! Literally gave me goosebumps! And those Iron Giant clips - man oh man, yes I did cry.Patrick Sun said:A good read on why the film is so polarizing, and "Hulk" destroys the lack of solid characterizations in this film:
http://badassdigest.com/2013/07/03/film-crit-hulk-man-of-steel/
That is not just a smart write up of Man Of Steel, his reference to Up reminds me how strong those four minutes are.Patrick Sun said:A good read on why the film is so polarizing, and "Hulk" destroys the lack of solid characterizations in this film:http://badassdigest.com/2013/07/03/film-crit-hulk-man-of-steel/
LOL! Yes, I guess it's out of context isn't it? Captain Marvel? I dunno...Sam Favate said:How is it in a world in which Superman has yet to exist and Clark is a child, he puts on a red cape and strikes a pose like a superhero? Who is he pretending to be?
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that superheroes with capes exist in the MoS universe without being based on Superman. Smallville covered this concept of Clark having read certain comics as a kid that were substitutes for our world having Superman comics, but of course they had over 200 episodes to do so.Quentin said:LOL! Yes, I guess it's out of context isn't it? Captain Marvel? I dunno...
This was a part of the story that I liked, until it made no sense.Superman is inexperienced and does know how to fight. Zod is an elite warrior. How can Supes possibly win? This is so obvious that Zod actually ask this question!Change scene. Superman has won.WTF? The movie didn't answer the question. It asked it, then ignored it. The idea of Superman killing is spectacular and is of the present age. I'm not a comic book reader, but I understand that Alan Moore wrote a watershed comic series on just this event.But MOS completely fails with its own theme. The entire movie, the whole backstory, everything Jonathan Kent taught him was against this. There should be consequences. There were no consequences to this tremendous moment.Quentin said:33, 25, 13...it's all arbitrary and it's all moot. The fact is this is the VERY FIRST fight he has EVER been in! He has literally never raised his fists in anger against anyone his entire life. He's never had to defend himself. He has no fighting style. He is sloppy and he gets punched around like an amateur...because that is what he is. This is not the Superman that has been in 5 movies and a thousand+ comic stories. He has not fought hundreds of villains and monsters. It's his first fight!
This is not what assumed empathy is. We aren't suddenly empathetic with the giant because of him saying Superman; the audience has already invested in the character. What makes that line a zinger is that the audience is aware that a character has decided to fulfill his own worth he will sacrifice his life in order to save others; his recognition of the fact through the line (Superman..) tells us the character, a robot, is more then simple robotic parts and has made an emotional decision based on his love of the other characters. The line of dialog doesn't transfer empathy from Superman to the Character, and had the movie been altered for him and Hogarth to use "Ultraman" and him to say "Ultraman" the impact would have been the same; because it is the change in understanding of a character and self sacrifice.it is actually guilty of the sin of 'assumed empathy' that HULK describes. Yes, we're sad to see the Giant sacrifice himself because we have grown to like him through his relationship with the boy, but the Superman line is the zinger that really tugs at the heart strings because it is a way of saying, "I am going to do right."