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Looking at getting a Technics SLBD-22 Turntable for X-Mas

Discussion in 'Playback Devices' started by Brett DiMichele, Nov 29, 2002.

  1. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Hey Gang,

    Does anyone here have any of the SL Series Turn Tabes?

    I know the MK's are really the best from Technics but I
    am not willing to spend $700.00 for a new one, I could get
    a Thorens for $500.00 if I was going to spend that kind of
    money..

    The SLBD-22 is a straight double gimball tonearm with a
    P-Mount Headshell Belt Driven with an FGServo motor Anti
    Resonant Cabinent and aluminium platter, it also has a
    built in stroboscope for 33.3 and 45 rpm. It's a semi auto
    table.. Looks to be very well built and very affordable at
    $189.00

    I was also looking at tipping the tonearm with an Audio
    Technica P-Mount moving coil cartridge ($70.00)

    Before I even set up and use the turn table I will remove
    the stock harness and solder in a good set of RCA's and I
    also want to put some brass spike and isolation pads under
    the chasis.

    Think this will be a decent table for minimal investment?
    It's not going to be used to transfer vinyl to cd just to
    listen to some vinyl occasionaly.
     
  2. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Well I went ahead and ordered the toys tonight..
    Crutchfield wanted $189.99 for the table and $70.00 for
    the stylus. I went to J&R and got the table for $169.00
    and the stylus for $42.00 and saved enough that I also
    bought a Shure Tracking Force Guage.
    Here's what the table and stylus look like.
    [​IMG]
    Technics SLBD-22 Semi Auto Turntable
    [​IMG]
    AudioTechnica AT331LP Cartridge and Stylus.
    Should work well for my needs!
     
  3. Danny Tse

    Danny Tse Producer

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    I have the "lesser" brother to the BD22, the SL-BD20. It's not a bad budget turntable at all; you will be surprised by the build and quality. I am going to swap out my Technics P-mount cartridge (came with the turntable) and try one of the Grado P-mount cartridges. I am going to try Vibrapods underneath it as well. By the way, both the RCA interconnects and the power cord are detactable on the SL-BD20, so I think it would be the same on the SL-BD22.
    Keep us posted on your reaction once you receive the TT.
    Here's a photo of the SL-BD20
    [​IMG]
     
  4. Khoa Tran

    Khoa Tran Supporting Actor

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    you could get a MK used for under 200...
     
  5. KeithR

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    I just bought MK3Ds for 399 a pop from Guitar Center new...
     
  6. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Danny,
    Nice table, I also looked at that model but for a little bit
    more the Strobe-O-Scope was a nice addition. I am guessing
    they both have the same exact ToneArm.
    How do you like the stock Tone Arm is the dampening smooth?
    What adjustments are there? From what I gather there is no
    Anti Skate adjustment?
    You say the cables are detachable, I didn't know that from
    what I read it sounded like they were hard soldered onto the
    arm. It makes me happy to hear they detatch because I want
    to replace them with a good set of balanced/sheilded RCA's.
    As for vibration dampening (this is going on top of my A/V
    Rack) I think I am going to use Parts Express's Brass Cone
    and Pad sets that should help some.
    I will let you know what I think of it when I get it.. It
    should be here in a few days. Honestly I think for good
    quality mainstream tables Technics is probably hard to beat.
    I looked at Denon and JVC and Sony and some others and in
    the Sub $200.00 price point Technics seemed to be the best
    constructed out of the lot. Sure some had other features like
    the Denon which had a built in RIAA Preamp but I don't need
    that feature. I was more concerned about motor and platter
    quality and a good tone arm. And for a stock tone arm it
    looks fairly decent.. (Though a Linn Basik would make a nice
    upgrade)
    Khoa,
    I have been watching auctions for MK's on Ebay and it seems
    to me like the average selling price is a tad bit higher
    than $200 for a very clean boxed unit (I am picky) and
    beyond that the MK's are known to most as a DJ'rs favorite
    table and well to be honest, I don't want something that
    may have been owned by some young scratch master flash [​IMG]
    And I have also read that for audiophile use belt drives
    tend to work better at playing old viny more gentle on start
    ups and such.
     
  7. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Keith,
    I am not bagging on your table so please don't take it as
    such. I am just wondering why in the $400.00 range you went
    with the Technics as oposed to something like this:
    http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/pr...asp?sku=MHMMF5
    (Granted this is $499.00 but it also comes with a GoldRing G012
    cartridge which is like a $225.00 unit)
    At any rate in the $400.00 price range the MK series is a
    good table.. A legendary table in mainstream terms..
     
  8. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Just an update...
    I haven't received the table and stylus yet.. I am praying
    they come with today's mail delivery (please please please!)
    I did recieve my Brass Isolation Cones from Parts Express
    and WOW are they a hell of a deal for $20.00... They are
    very similar to Lovan's Cones (well, except these ones are
    highly polished brass where as the Lovans are highly polished
    brass and then 24K Gold Plated, which of course makes no
    sense..)
    The Lovans go for $100.00 for 4!
    Here's what the PE's look like..
    [​IMG]
    They look even better than the picture..
    I may ultimately mount these to a piece of thick tempered
    glass that way the Turn Table sits on the glass and then
    the feet of the table will also help absorb stray vibrations.
    I also was rooting around some of my old audio stuff and I
    located my old Discwasher D4 Record Cleaner Kit and my S4
    Stylus Cleaning Kit, Both are like brand new.. I never used
    to listen to vinyl much (junk pioneer turn table, that's
    why...)
    Well I can't wait till the table gets here! I am all raring
    to fire off another order to Parts Express for a pair of
    Monster Cable Phonolink 100 RCA connectors and some good
    Quad Sheilded Cable to make up a good set of Phono Cables..
     
  9. Khoa Tran

    Khoa Tran Supporting Actor

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    right now i'm using a sansui direct drive table from the 70s and i also have a technics sl35 but broken needle wanna buy?
     
  10. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Khoa,
    Thanks for the offer but I bought the SL BD22... Just waiting
    for it to get here! (Waiting is driving me crazy!) [​IMG]
     
  11. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Hey Folks!
    Well the turn table arrived today... And.... Umm.....
    One word really... WOW!!!!
    After I got my nice piece of mirror set up with my feet
    under it and got the tabe set on top and leveled and installed
    the cartridge and double checked the tracking force and
    everything is good (tracking in the .75 Gram range)
    I NEVER remember Vinyl sounding this good.. Gee could it
    be because dad had a junk pioneer turntable? Yeah I think
    so....
    This table is well made, it's not the most sophisticated
    tonearm in the world but it ain't bad at all.. Pretty much
    idiot proof...
    I replaced the junk stock RCA's with good heavy guage cables
    and later on I am going to install a set of 24K gold RCA
    receptacles and rewire the tonearm and if I can replace
    the tonearm I may do that later on.. But for now I am
    VERY pleased... The sound is very smooth very natural but
    the trebbel is not rolled off at all, it's crisp almost
    like a CD but it's far "smoother"
    Other than needing something better to clean the old records
    or just taking more time to clean them.. It sounds SO
    GOOD!
    Damn I can't believe what I have been missing out on...
    Even Dad stood there dumbfounded he was like "Damn, My
    turn table never sounded anything like that..."
    [​IMG] Ohh I am stocked!
    I am using my Onk's Phono Input and I adjusted the Intelli-
    Volume (the volume was a little low) now I am cranking out
    100DB 5' from the speakers *or so says my Radio Shack Digital
    SPL Meter on C Weighting with a Fast Response Time) And I
    get absolutely no hum, the low frequency is not affecting
    the table, no feedback no nadda! And once that pitch is set
    that FG Servo motor is dead nuts on!
    Wooooo Hoooo [​IMG]
    be back (much) later!
     
  12. Danny Tse

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    Glad you like your turntable, Brett. I suspect most people see the name "Technics", along with price, and automatically think the turntable is junk. I was actually quite surprised by how solid the base of the my SL-BD20 felt, and the opportunity to experiment with different interconnects and power cords just add more confidence.

    I may have to try that Audio-Technica AT-331 LP cartridge....
     
  13. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Danny,

    Yep it seems that Technics doesn't get the attention they
    deserve and even then it seems like most say "Well you should
    be using an MK series"

    I am VERY happy with the way this SLBD-22 looks, sounds and
    functions.

    Honestly I could have bought a Music Hall MMF1 for what I
    paid for the SLBD-22 and the AT331-LP but the SL has some
    really great features the Music Hall does not have like the
    Strobe for one (which I think is a great functional item)

    The Base is very well built for sure and with some tweaks
    this table can be even better than what it allreay is..

    I do plan on doing some tweaking.. I want to replace the
    RCA Output connectors with good 24K gold jobs and while I
    do that, use some better quality wire in the tone arm. Of
    course I am in no rush to do that because it sounds so dang
    good allready!

    I already did a nice little mod.. I got myself a spirit
    "Bullseye" level that's the same size as the 45RPM adapter
    and I glued it to the top of the adapter. All I have to do
    to check the level is slip the adaptor on and presto you
    know the platter is level when you check it from the dead
    center.
     
  14. elMalloc

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    We own a technics record player also. I have to buy a phono pre amp though, my harman kardon doesn't support it.
    -ELmO[​IMG]
     
  15. Danny Tse

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    Brett,

    Great idea regarding the "Bullseye" level; I have to try that.

    Another potentially good mod would be the Radio Shack "Little Rat" phono preamp. I believe it's no longer available, but perhaps some RS store will still have it in stock. A lot has been said about how good this phono preamp is, and it's only $30.00.
     
  16. Philip Hamm

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    That looks like a very nice table. Enjoy it. I'm sure it will give you years of service. On the low end (under $200) Technics is hard to beat.
     
  17. Jeff W.

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    That's funny. I have the exact same turntable. I bought it in about 1985 [​IMG] With an Ortofon cart. Don't know how much that cost but I do know the TT was about $99 or $129. Good heavens, the price has gone UP in almost 20 years? That's got to be a first. Anyway, that's a great little table, and obviously it should last you a while (mine is still kicking, using it mostly to convert my vinyl to MP3 now..)
     
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    That's funny. I have the exact same turntable. I bought it in about 1985 [​IMG] With an Ortofon cart. Don't know how much that cost but I do know the TT was about $99 or $129. Good heavens, the price has gone UP in almost 20 years? That's got to be a first. Anyway, that's a great little table, and obviously it should last you a while (mine is still kicking, using it mostly to convert my vinyl to MP3 now..)
     
  19. Chris PC

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    I had one two. I let it get really dusty but I sold it to a person who appreciated it for the turntable it is. A decent belt drive turntable that isn't expensive, but sounds perfectly good.
     
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    I had one two. I let it get really dusty but I sold it to a person who appreciated it for the turntable it is. A decent belt drive turntable that isn't expensive, but sounds perfectly good.
     

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