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List of Alternate Cuts with/without Director Approval

Discussion in 'DVD' started by Mike*Sch, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. Mike*Sch

    Mike*Sch Well-Known Member

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    Hello,
    There seems to be a huge number of "extended unrated" cuts of movies coming out these days. Everyone, including myself, is wondering whether these are legitimate artistic alterations or just marketing scams. I thought it might be helpful to compile a list of alternate cuts that are available (or sometimes not!) on DVD, and what the filmmakers thoughts on those are as compared to the theatrical versions. Does that sound like a good idea? Has anyone else already done this? I did a search on the site and couldn't find anything.

    Thanks,
    Mike

    EDIT:
    Here's an initial list of director-preferred versions, mainly made up of movies that I have on my shelf right now. I'm sure that there are some mistakes on here. If anyone has any info on these movies, or can think of others to add to the list, please say so.

    The Abyss: Special Edition

    The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension: Theatrical

    The Alamo: Roadshow (LD)

    Alexander: Final Cut

    Ali: Director's Cut

    Alien: Theatrical

    Alien 3: Special Edition

    Alien: Resurrection: Theatrical

    Aliens: Special Edition

    Aliens of the Deep: Unknown

    Alien vs. Predator: Theatrical

    Almost Famous: Untitled Cut

    Amadeus: Director's Cut

    American Graffiti: DVD Edition

    American History X: Unknown

    American Pie: Unrated

    American Pie 2: Unknown

    American Psycho: Unrated

    American Wedding: Theatrical

    Anger Management: Unknown

    The Animal: Director's Cut

    Any Given Sunday: Director’s Cut

    Apocalypse Now: Unknown

    Apollo 13: Theatrical

    Armageddon: Director’s Cut

    Army of Darkness: Director’s Cut

    Audition: Unrated

    Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery: European DVD

    Baby Bottleneck: Theatrical

    Back Alley Opoar: Theatrical

    Bad Lieutenant: Theatrical (LD)

    Bad Santa: Director's Cut

    Basic Instinct: Director's Cut

    Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker: Uncut

    Beauty and the Beast (1991): Unknown

    Betty Blue: Director's Cut

    Big: Unknown

    The Big Blue: Director's Cut

    The Big Red One: Reconstruction

    The Big Sleep: Theatrical

    Blade Runner: Final Cut

    Blade: Trinity: Theatrical

    Blood Simple: Director's Cut

    The Blues Brothers: Extended

    Body Shots: Unknown

    Book Revue: Theatrical

    The Boondock Saints: Unknown

    Das Boot: Unknown (Director's Cut?)

    Bound: Unrated

    The Bourne Identity: European Cut

    Brazil: Director’s Cut

    Brother: Japanese Cut (Japanese DVD)

    The Brotherhood of the Wolf: Director's Cut

    Casino Royale: International Cut (Australian DVD)

    Casshern: Director's Cut

    Casualties of War: Extended

    Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle: Unrated

    The Chronicles of Riddick: Unrated Director’s Cut

    The Circus: Recut Version

    Clerks.: Theatrical

    Close Encounters of the Third Kind: DVD Edition

    Commando: Director's Cut

    Con Air: Unknown

    The Cooler: Director's Cut (PPV TV)

    Coyote Ugly: Unknown

    Crash (1997): NC-17

    Crash (2005): Director's Cut

    Crimson Tide: Unknown

    Cry_Wolf: Unknown

    Cursed: Director's Cut

    Daffy Duck and Egghead: Theatrical

    Dances with Wolves: Theatrical

    Dark City: Director's Cut

    Dark Star: Special Edition

    Darling Lili: Director's Cut

    Dawn of the Dead (1978): Theatrical

    Dawn of The Dead (2004): European Director’s Cut (European DVD)

    Day Watch: Unrated

    Dead Poets Society: Unknown

    Dead Silence: Unknown

    Death Machine: UK Version

    Death Proof: Extended

    Derailed: Unknown

    The Devil's Advocate: Theatrical (LD)

    The Devil's Rejects: Director's Cut

    Die Another Day: Unknown

    Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story: Unrated

    Don't Be a Menace to South Central While You're Drinking Your Juice in the Hood: Unknown

    Duel: TV Cut

    The Dukes of Hazzard: Unknown

    Dumb & Dumber: Unknown

    Dune: Theatrical

    Earthquake: Theatrical

    Empire Records: Remix

    The Empire Strikes Back: DVD Edition

    Enemy of the State: Unknown

    E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial: Special Edition

    EuroTrip: Unrated

    The Ex: Unknown

    The Exorcist: The Version You’ve Never Seen

    Eyes Wide Shut: Unrated (Japanese DVD)

    Fanny and Alexander: TV Version

    Fever Pitch: Unknown

    The Fog (2005): Unknown

    The Foghorn Leghorn: Theatrical

    The 40 Year-Old Virgin: Unrated

    Free Enterprise: Extended

    Friday the 13th: Uncut (European DVD)

    Fried Green Tomatoes: Unknown

    The Frighteners: Director's Cut

    From Beyond: Director's Cut

    The Getaway (1994): Unrated

    Gettysburg: Director's Cut (LD)

    Ghosts of the Abyss: Unknown

    Gia: Unknown

    The Girl Next Door: Unrated

    Gladiator: Theatrical

    The Godfather: Theatrical

    The Godfather, Part II: Theatrical

    The Godfather, Part III: Director's Cut

    The Gold Rush: Recut Version

    Gone in 60 Seconds: Director's Cut

    The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: Italian Cut

    The Grudge: Director's Cut

    Halloween: Theatrical

    Hannibal Rising: Unknown

    Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle: Unknown

    Havoc: Unknown

    Hawaii: Roadshow (LD)

    Hellboy: Director’s Cut

    Highlander: Director’s Cut

    Highlander 2: The Quickening: Renegade Edition

    Highlander: Endgame: Rough Cut

    Highlander: The Final Dimension: Director’s Cut

    Highlander: The Search for Vengeance: Japanese Cut (Japanese DVD)

    The Hills Have Eyes (2006): Unrated

    The Hills Have Eyes II: Unknown

    A History of Violence: International

    Hollow Man: Director's Cut

    Hostel: Director's Cut

    Hostel, Part II: Unrated

    I Love to Singa: Theatrical

    Independence Day: Theatrical Cut

    Inside Deep Throat: Unrated

    In the Cut: Unrated

    Iron Monkey: Unknown

    It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World: Unknown

    Jason Goes to Hell: Director's Cut

    Jaws: The Revenge: Unknown

    JFK: Director’s Cut

    Jingle All the Way: Extended

    Josie and the Pussycats: PG-13

    The Kid: Recut Version

    Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair

    The Killing of a Chinese Bookie: Recut

    King Arthur: Director’s Cut

    Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut

    King Kong (2005): Extended

    King of New York: Recut Version

    Kingpin: Unknown

    Kiss Me Deadly: Restored

    Kiss Me Stupid: European Cut

    Kit for Kat: Theatrical

    A Knight's Tale: Unknown

    Knocked Up: Unknown

    Land of the Dead: Director's Cut

    The Last of the Mohicans: Director's Cut

    The Last Picture Show: Director's Cut

    Last Tango in Paris: Uncut

    Lawrence of Arabia: Restored

    Leaving Las Vegas: Unrated

    Legend: Director's Cut

    Leon: The Professional: Leon Version

    Lethal Weapon: Director's Cut

    Lethal Weapon 2: Director's Cut

    Lethal Weapon 3: Director's Cut

    Lethal Weapon 4: Theatrical

    Lifeforce: European

    Limelight: Recut Version

    Live Free or Die Hard: Unrated

    The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring: Extended

    The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King: Extended

    The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers: Extended

    Lords of Dogtown: Unknown

    Magical Mystery Tour: Unknown

    Mallrats: Theatrical

    Manhunter: Restored Director’s Cut

    MASH: R-Rated Version

    Metropolis: Restored

    Miami Vice: Director's Cut

    Modern Times: Recut Version

    Monty Python and the Holy Grail: DVD Cut

    Mr. & Mrs. Smith: Unrated

    My Darling Clementine: Ford Cut

    Natural Born Killers: Director’s Cut

    The New Guy: Director’s Cut

    New York, New York: Director's Cut

    The New World: Revised Version

    1941: Extended

    A Nightmare on Elm Street: The Dream Child: Uncut (LD)

    Night of the Living Dead (1968): Theatrical

    The Night Watchmen: Theatrical

    Nixon: Director's Cut

    Not Another Teen Movie: Unknown

    The Number 23: Unknown

    Nutty Professor II: The Klumps: Director's Cut

    Old Glory: Theatrical

    Once Upon a Time in America: Director's Cut

    Once Upon a Time in the West: Italian Version

    Original Sin: Unrated

    The Outsiders: Complete Novel

    Pat Garret and Billy the Kid: 1988 Turner Cut

    Pathfinder: Unknown

    The Patriot: Unknown

    Payback: Director's Cut

    Pearl Harbor: Director’s Cut

    Picnic at Hanging Rock: Director's Cut

    Pitch Black: Unrated Director’s Cut

    Planet Terror: Extended

    Raintree County: Roadshow (VHS)

    Ransom: Unkown

    Reindeer Games: Director’s Cut

    The Replacement Killers: Extended

    Requiem for a Dream: NC-17

    Return of the Jedi: Theatrical

    Return to House on Haunted Hill: Unknown

    Revenge: Director's Cut

    The Ring Two: Unrated

    Rise: Unknown

    Road Trip: Unknown

    Robocop: Director's Cut

    Rollerball: R-Rated Edition

    Saving Silverman: Unknown

    Saw: Uncut

    Saw II: Unknown

    Saw III: Director's Cut

    Scaredy Cat: Theatrical

    Scary Movie: Theatrical

    Scary Movie 3: Unknown

    Scream: Director’s Cut (LD, Japanese DVD)

    Seconds: Restored

    1776: Director's Cut

    The Shining: Unknown

    Sin City: Extended

    Sliver: Unrated

    Spartacus: Restored

    Spawn: Director’s Cut

    Speaking of the Weather: Theatrical

    Spider-Man 2: Theatrical

    Spun: Unrated

    Spy Kids: Special Edition

    Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Director's Cut

    Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan: Director's Cut

    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country: DVD Edition

    Star Wars: DVD Edition

    Star Wars: Episode I--The Phantom Menace: DVD Edition

    Star Wars: Episode II--Attack of the Clones: DVD Edition

    Star Wars: Episode III--Revenge of the Sith: DVD Edition

    Stop Making Sense: Unknown

    A Streetcar Named Desire: Director's Cut

    Supergirl: Director's Cut

    Superman: Director’s Cut

    Superman II: Theatrical

    Superman IV: The Quest for Peace: Unknown

    Tears of the Sun: Director’s Cut

    Terminator 2: Judgment Day: Theatrical

    THX 1138: Director’s Cut

    Touch of Evil: Restored

    Trainspotting: Director's Cut

    Transformers: Imax

    True Romance: Director’s Cut

    Two Girls and a Guy: NC-17 (LD)

    Two-Minute Warning: Theatrical

    Underworld: Theatrical

    Van Wilder: Unknown

    Van Wilder 2: The Rise of Taj: Unknown

    Videodrome: Uncut

    The Warriors: Director's Cut

    Wedding Crashers: Unknown

    Where the Truth Lies: Unrated

    The Wicker Man (1973): Director's Cut

    The Wicker Man (2006): Unknown

    The Wild Bunch: Director's Cut

    WIld Things: Theatrical

    Windtalkers: Director's Cut

    Woodstock: Director's Cut

    You're an Education: Theatrical

    The X-Files: Extended
     
  2. TravisR

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    Sounds like a good idea. The only problem with compiling a list of director sanctioned re-edits is how do you know if these "unrated" cuts were done with or without the director's blessing? Most people know that Peter Jackson sees the LOTR extended cuts as an alternate version of those movies and the long version of Dune is credited to Alan Smithee so it's easy to see what David Lynch thinks of that but who knows what the guy who directed Not Another Teen Movie thinks of the unrated cut of that movie?
     
  3. Mike*Sch

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    Travis,
    That's exactly why I'm doing this. It's hard to keep track of who was involved with what and so on. But I figure if we get input from as many people as possible, the list will be more complete than anyone on his/her own. Maybe some dude knows the director of NOT ANOTHER TEEN MOVIE and he heard him bitching about one day. Who knows? I guess we'll see what happens.
     
  4. Jo_C

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    Let me start it for you...


    ALTERNATE VERSIONS without director approval:

    DUNE (2 alternate versions, both credited to Allen Smithee--one for syndication, the other for a San Francisco TV station)
    TWO-MINUTE WARNING (credited to "Gene Palmer"; expanded and dramatically altered for television with added subplot)
    EARTHQUAKE (added for television footage)
     
  5. Mike*Sch

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    I've edited the first post to include an initial list.

    Jo, am I right in thinking that the theatrical version on EARTHQUAKE is the director-preferred version?
     
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    I don't know if I'd call the extended editions of the Lord of the Rings the "preferred" cuts. The theatrical versions are the "director cuts" of the movies. The extended editions are there as alternate versions.

    Thats a pretty good list though.
     
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    In The Two Towers commentary, Jackson states that the Extended cuts have the pacing and depth he'd like to have for the movies as a complete story, but that it just isn't reasonable when considering one movie a year for general audiences.

    Jackson's been very good at playing politics and keeping New Line happy, but I think it's probably a safe bet to make that he prefers the extended cuts.
     
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    David Fincher Never said this was his own preferred cut its was a guess based on some notes.

    The key point to the list should be consent and as Mr Fincher declined to re-cut the movie its not his.

    Also missing from the list is Alexander D/C and/or the theatrical cut depening on whos word you take on the subject
     
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    I guess the lesson here is sometimes we just don't know. [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks guys. In the case of Lord of the Rings, it seems like it's one of those situations where the preferred cut depends on the circumstances. But it looks like under ideal circumstances, Jackson would prefer the Extended Editions. This is similar to THE BLUES BROTHERS. John Landis has said the he prefers the extended cut, but would never show it to a theatrical audience because he would be embarassed by the lack of laughter.

    As for the ALIEN 3 SE, it's not a director's cut. But it is a version of the movie that he was working on. So it seems like it's closer to what he would want than the theatrical version. It's true that he didn't endorse the SE, but he flat out disowned the theatrical cut.

    Mike, what's the story with ALEXANDER? Who's saying what?
     
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    What's different about ghostbusters?
     
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    Well, Warner has been hearing numerous requests to see the Richard Donner cut of "Superman II" and they have authorized it for the "Superman" box set coming out this summer. But since Richard Donner is deep into post-production on his latest movie, he's letting editor Michael Thau, and Warner Brothers do it for him because his hands are tied with the other project. (Donner says that the footage being used is about 70% of the footage he shot.)

    Donner is relying on Thau to pick out the choice footage to integrate back into the film, so the "Superman II" DC isn't really a sanctioned DC (because he isn't personally supervising it) or a marketing ploy by the studio. It's an amalgam of both.
     
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    Touch of Evil wasn't exactly director-approved (Welles), but it was at least reconstructed from his explicit notes.

    Also the Chaplin films with re-cutting:

    - The Kid (trimmed by two reels, an improvement in my opinion since it took the focus away from Chaplin and Coogan)
    - The Gold Rush (re-release with narration and without the ending scene)
    - Modern Times (last verse of Titine cut before general release)
    - Limelight (one scene deleted)
    - King of New York (several trims)

    And Shoulder Arms, Pay Day, The Idle Class, Sunnyside, A Dog's Life, The Pilgrim, and A Day's Pleasure were given new scores and stretch printed for re-release (some as The Chaplin Revue, others paired with re-releases of Chaplin's longer features).
     
  14. Mike*Sch

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    I could swear I heard somewhere that not all of the effects shots had been completed in time for the initial release of GHOSTBUSTERS, and that these shots were finished digitally for the DVD. But everytime I mention this, people say I'm crazy. So I'll take GHOSTBUSTERS off of the list until someone proves me right.

    SUPERMAN II is a really weird case. Who deserves directing credit on that film? I guess there are 2 directors and 2 director's cuts.

    I'm thinking that I should change the title of this thread. "Director Approved" isn't really accurate for this list. It's much more like "Director Preferred." Essentially, I think this should be a list of the versions that the director's will show to their grandkids. Like, if only one version could exist, which one would they choose?

    Patrick, do you know if those Chaplin changes were preferred by him or not? Also, which versions are on the DVDs? And just out of curiosity, what's "stretch printing"?

    I've added a number of movies to the list.
     
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    Chaplin personally oversaw the alterations. Stretch printing is basically repeating some frames to make a film seem like it's slower (I think it's every other frame repeated). It doesn't look very good, but it's the only photographic way to slow down a film and still run it at 24fps. Digitally, you could probably interpolate frames.

    The original Image Entertainment/CBS-FOX DVD's were the special laserdisc editions, which returned all of the films, except for The Gold Rush, into their first editions. Modern Times had the extra verse kept only because it was on some preservation elements. It hadn't been part of the film since the premiere.

    I forgot to mention The Circus. The only change, though, was a new opening credits with Chaplin belting out a song. A Woman of Paris was also re-released with minor editing and a score. It was after Chaplin's death, but he oversaw most of the alterations (I think only the score was conducted afterwards by Eric James).

    It's also important to note...

    The Image DVD's corrected speeds and re-instated footage for the silents, but also featured re-edited scores. Since the films were made longer, the musical scores had to be remixed to fit these versions.

    The MK2 DVD's are all the re-release versions, save for City Lights, The Great Dictator, and Monsieur Verdoux, which were never altered for re-release. Of course, City Lights did have a re-issue in 1988 with the digital stereo re-recording by Carl Davis. Why MK2 didn't include it and opt to re-engineer the 1931 mono track to 5.1, I have no idea.
     
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    Nice list; was thinking about compiling something similar to this one, myself, here. A couple of general thoughts/observations/random neepery:


    On this one, Cameron definitely prefers the extended "Director's Cut" to the theatrical (similar to The Abyss and Aliens), and chose this version for his inaugural audio commentary, as opposed to the shorter theatrical print.
     
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    Josh, I've heard that there is an introduction to the extended cut on the GLADIATOR DVD by Ridley Scott. What does he say on there? I think that for the time being, we should go with the theatrical cut.

    On MALLRATS, Smith makes it very clear on the DVD that the theatrical version is better. At times, he's even called the extended cut "The Version You Never Should Have Seen". His intentions for the extended cut were initially to go back and recut the entire movie from scratch, because this is the only film that he did not edit himself. Unfortunately, he quickly realized that the film would have been virtually identical, and handed it off to Scott Mosier. At this point, the two decided to just throw everything in, even though most of the stuff was cut out by them, and with good reason. From what they've said, it sounds like Gramercy screwed them over much more in pre-production than in post.

    As for TERMINATOR 2, I also was under the impression that Cameron preferred the SE, until I heard that very commentary. On it, he talks about the added footage as being unnecessary. He talks about why he cut the stuff out initially, and even how he doesn't really "miss it" not being in the movie anymore. It's clear that he considers the theatrical version to be the "real" movie, and the SE to be an alternate version for people who might be interested.

    The funny thing is, I have a friend who is a die-hard Cameron follower, and for years he had been telling me that Cameron preferred the theatrical version. I knew that my friend personally liked the theatrical cut better, and I kept on saying "State your source," thinking that he was just believing what he wanted to. Then the Extreme DVD comes out and I said, "Look! He even did commentary for the SE." And that commentary is what proved me wrong.

    OK. So maybe it wasn't that funny. I guess you had to be there.

    I've added THE BIG SLEEP, GIA, KISS ME DEADLY, KISS ME STUPID, and ORIGINAL SIN to the list.
     
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    That's not true. After the first informal test screening, when there was barely a laugh during the first 1/2 hour of film leading up to the characters getting to the mall, it was decided BY KEVIN to reshoot the opening and cut much of that material. The "long" cut of MALLRATS is not even close to his prefered cut- it's basically the shooting script cut together, but not the prefered, finished cut of the film.

    There are a few instances in the theatrical cut where Gramercy over-rode Kevin's wishes and had him replace certain takes for "safer" ones, and in those cases, the original, naughtier takes were re-instated into the long cut, but for at least 95% of its running time, the theatrical cut of MALLRATS is Kevin's prefered version. If you really wanted to make the ultimate "Kevin" cut of 'RATS, it would be the theatrical cut, with those few alternate takes from the long version.

    Vincent
     
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    not on DVD:
    Roadshow versions of HAWAII, RAINTREE COUNTY, and THE ALAMO.

    on DVD:
    Director's cut of AMADEUS
     
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    What does this mean? The initial theatrical version is Luc Bessons prefered cut. The extended version was a gift to the fans who wanted to see the cut scenes. It's similar to T2 in that regard.
     

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