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John Coltraine's Blue Train[SACD] Dissaponted!

Discussion in 'Music' started by Lewis Besze, Jun 12, 2003.

  1. Lewis Besze

    Lewis Besze Well-Known Member

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    Today I've got this disc from Music Direct,and I must say it will end up on Ebay or Half.com.
    I have this on CD a '96 reissue "enhanced" cd[pc content],which proclaims it self as the "Ultimate Train".
    Well it is superrior to both the new CD layer and the 2ch SACD layer.
    It seems that a different person from the 96 reissue mastered it,there wasn't mentioning of any new mix,bit it's certainly sounds that way.
    It's probably the classic situation that new equipment put it's on signature sound on this without doing any remix?
    I don't know, all I can say is this new disc is sounding very "digital",the soundstge is pushed forward[just like the DSOTM],and it's louder as well,and sounds a bit "compressed" too.Cymbals sounds like crap,no "tail" or "air" around instruments,it's lifeless.And it's not more detail it's glare!
    I'm very disappointed!
     
  2. Lewis Besze

    Lewis Besze Well-Known Member

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    Looks like I messed up the title.
    Can one of the admins fix it?
    It should be "Coltrane" and "dissapointed".:b
     
  3. Phil_DC

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    I had plan to get that SACD tomorrow and listen to it over the weekend. I figured it was going to be the best Coltrane mix ever and was looking forward to it. Your review sure took the air out of my bag so to speak!

    Anyone else have this SACD yet?
     
  4. Lewis Besze

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    Sorry Phil,I was looking for this as much as you were.
    However you might have a different opinion once listen to it.
     
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    So far I like what I have heard of this SACD, but have yet to get around to doing a comparison to the earlier CD release which I also own. Supposedly Rudy Van Geldor remastered both this SACD and the earlier Ultimate CD. Maybe different masters were used or the disc was remastered again to sound differently, or the SACD was made from a PCM master. Tomorrow I will try to set some time aside to do a proper comparison and post my thoughts back here.

    J
     
  6. Lewis Besze

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    Ron McMaster did the 20bit mastering on the "ultimate train".However Rudy is the original recording engineer[1957],and the guy who did the mastering on the SACD.
    Michael Cuscuna was the producer on both[Ultimate CD]and the SACD as well.
    Justin,
    yes please do a comparison,I'd like to hear your opinion on this.
     
  7. Philip Hamm

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    Lewis,

    In case you didn't know, there is a Classic Records 96/24 DAD of this album that you should get if you don't already have it. I have the Cannonball Adderly "Somethin' Else" DAD from the same vintage and series and it sounds very good. I have the LP record of Blue Train so I can't directly comment on the DAD, but I think if you do a search you'll find information.
     
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    The DAD sounds very good. I think that it sounds better than the Ultimate CD.
     
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    I have the DAD, too, and I love it.

    I want to the SACD, but I'm not in a hurry simply because I already have a high-res version of this album and I could spend my limited funds on other music.

    Man, I wish I were rich.
     
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    I also agree that the Classic Records 24/96 DAD version of Blue Train is excellent. I was curious to know how the SACD version stacked up.

    I just picked up an SACD player last week. So far, my opinion on the SACD format is mixed. Ultimately, the mixing and mastering qualities make the difference.

    -JNS
     
  13. Lewis Besze

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    Who sells DAD discs?
     
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