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IT's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World Restoration

Discussion in 'DVD' started by Art_AD, Jan 3, 2003.

  1. Joel Vardy

    Joel Vardy Well-Known Member

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    Patrick, thanks for the update on the relative condition of my partial list. From what you say, it sounds like Exodus is already 'lost', Double Indemnity is in need of help but noone knows if it's imminent (or is this one lost as well?)

    Ron, I'm not citing MGM as a unique studio with only $$$'s as their motivation. It seems to me that this is more the norm than the exception, notwithstanding the Paramount story you cite. I wonder what your take is on the Internet community's 'clout' in such matters. Can we 'shame' them publicly if we are not satisfied? Or are we more likely to get attention when we vote with our own buying habits in light of the smaller share of the market that we now represent? I'm not implying that I know the answer. Corporate responsibility was a subject with some visibility in the 70's and 80's -- after some public debate on the subject. I just don't hear that much about it any more. If this means that the pendulum has swung again, I don't know. You've heard representatives from other studios express the status of their organization's appetite for low/no return projects (I won't get specific here so as to not embarrass the parties concerned). I wish I saw the world differently but I'm a bit cynical about this subject (I'm sure you can tell). If a famous Director such as Scorcese or Spielberg raises the temperature on the studios they tend to respond (including doing semi-commercial projects), otherwise they take the road of least resistance (translates to high ROI projects).

    Joel
     
  2. Jeffrey Gray

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    Yes, but once again...can't we try to rally people together to campaign to MGM? If we could convince Warner Bros. to do the widescreen Willy Wonka disc, we can convince MGM to pay for a $2.5 million (cheap) restoration...but I have not heard anything from any members agreeing with the idea I have...
     
  3. Joel Vardy

    Joel Vardy Well-Known Member

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  4. george kaplan

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    While I disagree vehemently with the sentiments of Joel, I am certain they accurately reflect the mindset of the studio executives.
    This is a very depressing situation, and it looks like I will never get to replace my ld with a proper dvd. [​IMG]
     
  5. Rain

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  6. Patrick McCart

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  7. Joel Vardy

    Joel Vardy Well-Known Member

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  8. Robert Harris

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    And now I must agree with Mr. Vardy in terms of the "long" view.

    Studios execs with a financial background are paid to look at projects with a strict concept via a financial model.

    If a project doesn't make sense within a certain model, it doesn't necessarily mean that would not LIKE to move a project forward. but cannot as it does not meet financial guidelines of viability.

    At a certain point the best advice that I can give is to stop banging one's head against the wall and simply allow films to die a natural death.
     
  9. David Lambert

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    Robert, I wonder what would happen if - say - Entertainment Tonight got ahold of this story? Just thinking out loud here.

    Get Leonard Maltin involved. Would writing to someone like Roger Ebert help? Variety? Heck, just make it an all-around AP story.

    "Hello, yeah...I got a story for you. Would you be interested in knowing that a major Hollywood studio is letting the prints of the original form of a major film in its genre just sit in its vault and disintegrate by years-end? A film with an all-star cast featuring over a dozen of the zaniest comics of their era? An item that could be preserved - along with a classic historical film in the same boat - for just under $2.5 MM? Yeah, I'll hold."
     
  10. oscar_merkx

    oscar_merkx Well-Known Member

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    David
    Why don't you get the boat rolling then ?
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Robert Harris

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    I would not go that route as MGM are not the "bad guys."

    They have a huge library, which, by no fault of current management, is probably in the worst shape in the industry.

    They have an equally huge job on their hands producing preservation elements on printable titles, where there have been none produced in the past.

    They are spending, and have been spending massive amounts of money on this project.

    It simply isn't a case where they need to be publicly scolded. They haven't done anything wrong, and a campaign or public placement in that light would be adding insult to injury regarding what they are currently preserving.
     
  12. Ronald Epstein

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    Okay, Robert....

    Knowing that the film will be totally destroyed

    in the near future, what do you recommend we do?

    Who do we contact? How can we best bring this

    issue to light to the people most responsible

    without making anyone seem like the bad guy?

    I am putting out a Newsletter to 33,000 members

    in the next few days. Give me something that I

    can present to our membership and perhaps I can

    encourage everyone in this forum to campaign to

    help save this film.
     
  13. oscar_merkx

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    very good question indeed.
    What would say the amount of $ 33000 do in the long run (£ 1 donation from every HTF member, sounds simple enough I would think and would not hesitate to donate more),
    From what I can read from these pages that is most likely just a tiny drop in a large bucket. What kind of money are we talking about anyway ? Doesn't more publicity help this in the long run ?
    I would think so and at the same time MGM will realise that it is worth saving after all. Or am I missing the point here /
    [​IMG]
     
  14. Paul_Nyman

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    [​IMG] Ron I look forward to the newsletter!
    This film is a CLASSIC! God I hope it's not to late to be saved?!?!
     
  15. Darren Gross

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    Since certain elements of THE ALAMO and MAD WORLD will be insoluble by mid year, why not have MGM put up the $ to make the necessary duplicates and preservation material for these elements?

    Leave out the b & w protection masters, digital print work (at least the output process, not the scanning) and fully timed answer prints and audio work to some later date. The costs couldn't be 1/4 or 10% of the estimated final budget.

    Clearly, it's imperfect and would only be a stopgap measure, but it sounds like a gap that needs to be stopped.

    This would at least provide the option of further work down the line, should Texas investors and financing opportunities change.

    We've been hitting similar stumbling blocks with the NIGHT OF DARK SHADOWS restoration. That situation is a bit reversed though, because the separation masters are in excellent condition and I'm confident they'll remain that way for several years. The problem is that we're missing audio for many of the recovered scenes and the dialogue needs to be re-recorded. This has been going on for 3 + years. We're now looking into the possibility of recording the missing dialogue soon, as a stopgap measure. The actors are not getting any younger and three of them have such extensive relooping that if we were to lose one of them, the restoration would be impossible. At least it would give us a few more years to put this thing together.

    Perhaps similar pre-emptive work might help give more time for these two other projects to happen. With the current state of the economy and venture capital being very tight, it seems that time is definitely needed in this case.

    Best of luck, as always.

    Darren
     
  16. Ronald Epstein

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    Folks,

    If you want this film restored, we need to act fast.

    I usually hate trying to round up a huge support

    effort that will probably fall on deaf ears, but

    if you have any ideas how we can persuade MGM to

    do the right thing, let me know.
     
  17. Greg_M

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    Ron,

    Why don't you find out what MGM/UA needs to restore the film. Maybe HTF can raise some of the cost through member donatations. This could be the first film restored/saved through the Home Theater Forum.
     
  18. Paul_Nyman

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    what to do, what to do?

    Anyone here have any creative ideas that will move to Restore this picture?
     
  19. Matt Butler

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    I dont make alot of money but I'll kick a few bucks to save one of my favorite films.

    This is indeed a travesty.

    What can we do?
     
  20. JeremySt

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    I want to do my part. IAMMMMW is one of my all time favorites. I would gladly kick a few dollars to this worthy cause.
     

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