RobertR
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It's incomprehensible to me that someone could argue that being able to customize your phone so that it's more to your liking is somehow a "negative".
I'm looking into replacing my tivos with an HTPC. If the main reasons I find for an HTPC are 'it lets me spend 30 min every night twiddling fiddly bits", then it's not a solution for me. If the main reasons are "it works better, easier, faster with new features" I'm interested.RobertR said:It's incomprehensible to me that someone could argue that being able to customize your phone so that it's more to your liking is somehow a "negative".
[COLOR= rgb(24, 24, 24)]Apple says 'be reasonable, do it my way' when other[/COLOR]s will give you 1000 ways to do it your way. Both options are viable but they have trade offs. Wanting one to work the other way isn't going to happen.
I stripped out your pointless adjectives. Everyone wants a product that gives him what he wants. It makes no sense whatsoever to say that it's somehow "bad" for a product to make it easier to achieve exactly that.Sam Posten said:Right, and that's because you continue to look at it from the 'what I want' perspective
You continue to look at it from the "Apple gives ME exactly what I want, therefore whatever Apple dictates is reasonable" perspective. Most people are choosing not to believe that whatever Apple chooses must be reasonable.Apple says 'be reasonable, do it my way'
That implies that having choices has negatives. I disagree.Both options are viable but they have trade offs.
Why would I want Apple's attitude to change, as I long as I'm free to make the alternate choice (silly legal maneuvering notwithstanding)?Wanting one to work the other way isn't going to happen.
I look at it from 180 degrees differently.Hanson said:As more people start understanding technology and interfaces and as the older generation gives way to the younger, walled garden systems become a thing of the past. No one needs training wheels forever. Even if the training wheels are really, really well designed. They're still training wheels.
Where we disagree is in the term "most people".RobertR said:You continue to look at it from the "Apple gives ME exactly what I want, therefore whatever Apple dictates is reasonable" perspective. Most people are choosing not to believe that whatever Apple chooses must be reasonable.
That implies that having choices has negatives. I disagree.
Why would I want Apple's attitude to change, as I long as I'm free to make the alternate choice (silly legal maneuvering notwithstanding)?
Given that Android has a 68% share of the global smartphone market to Apple's 17%, the "most people" term is inescapable.Sam Posten said:Where we disagree is in the term "most people".
I touched a nerve here that wasn't intended Hanson, I am doing my best to avoid inflammatory posts and keep it light (ala Dunning-Kruger above) in Ron's thread. I'm specifically talking about Sandboxing here and how that is impacting both mobile and desktop OSs and not any kind of exploits. We are still in the first inning on that one, and as privileges get added to this tech we'll see how things roll.Hanson said:Jesus Sam, I can't have a serious conversation about this subject if you keep bringing up the security boogedyman. Android (the non-forked Google kind) is not Windows XP. Not even close. You can go exploit for exploit, infection for infection between iOS and Android. We've discussed this already and you still bring it up like a broken record.
The interface in Android has improved greatly, designed by Mathias Duarte, a design guy, not an engineer. It's getting around in the mainstream -- Android 4.0+ is as good a user experience as iOS.
This is the essence of where we disagree tho I don't have specific data to back up my belief and don't think it would be helpful to continue this conversation anyway. I'll bow out here and you can continue to pick on me for not fighting it.Hanson said:So yes, people are picking Android over iPhone based on factors not related to carrier availability or price, which means Sam's "most people" aren't really "most people".
thanks for the follow up (and to Sam) on my question of motivations.Ronald Epstein said:Sam,
This is 100% correct.
Each phone has their trade-offs. There have been multiple
times that I have been frustrated with some of the lackings
of the Android OS.
No argument that iOS seems more tightly integrated with
better email, better designed apps and more seamless integration
with any other Apple product.
That being said, iOS does still feel antiquated, as Hanson
pointed out. I know that contradicts what I just wrote, but the
biggest drawback to iOS, as you pointed out, is the ability to
do anything outside of the Apple ecosystem.
I agree with something you have said long ago, Sam...
Apple will continue to do what they do because there are
those that prefer to have a quality phone that one needs not
have to have a manual to use. The phones are simple and
made for anyone that doesn't need to change anything on it.
I'm not an Android user, but I think there's at least one:Originally Posted by TonyD /t/323457/iphone-user-goes-to-the-samsung-galaxy-s3/210#post_3987477
Wish there was an Android Store.