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Interactivity - is that what we're going to waste the extra Blu Ray disc space on?

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by andrew markworthy, Jan 24, 2008.

  1. andrew markworthy

    andrew markworthy Well-Known Member

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    I've read several reports recently that imply that when Blu Ray really gets into its stride it's going to find a use for all that extra disc space it has available. And that use will be ... greater interactivity and web-based activities.

    My gut reaction is WHY??? Here we have the golden opportunity to put things on a disc that are useful to the movie (PIP, extras in high def, top bitrates etc), and we're going to throw it away on kids-level stuff (okay, I grant you that this is fine if it's a kids' movie, but not for adults).

    I'm hoping that either (a) the stories I've heard are BS or (b) that this interactivity will actually be useful and I've just failed to understand things.

    Please can someone enlighten me?
     
  2. Jacob McCraw

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    All that extra space would be perfect for things like Grindhouse - you could have the theatrical film on one disc.

    Epics on one disc. Multiple discs of extras like the Ben Hur, Gone With the Wind, and Wizard of Oz sets condensed to one disc.

    That is what I want and at reasonable prices.
     
  3. RickER

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    I have no interest in web based stuff. Even if its good, its not forever. Five or ten years down the line i want to watch good extras, not "This page does not exist. If you feel this is an error please refresh this page."
     
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    That's exactly how I feel! Put the extras on the damn discs already!
     
  5. brap

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    If Universals usage of online features is any indication, then no thank you. Transformers HD-DVD seems to be the only one so far that has strayed into funner territory and it's just OK. I would not have missed it.
    The idea of downloading commentary tracks is a interesting and possible option. Given it is on a stereo 192kbps or mono 96kbps (do we really need more?), it can easily be downloaded and use little space on the player. Can't schedule the actor or director in time to record? no worries. setting up a way to upload any ones commentary to the disc is not hard. They can even make some arrangement with RiffTrax on a pay-use basis.
    Also consider downloading subtitles (which could have been a band-aid for the Stargate blu-ray debacle).
     
  6. Clinton McClure

    Clinton McClure Casual Enthusiast

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    Man, wouldn't that just piss off the BD drummers if one of the chief reasons why BD is "better" than HD-DVD is wasted on useless interactivity features instead of striving for uncompressed audio and better video? I can hear it now. [​IMG]

    When I do eventually pick up a BD player I want one with an ethernet port, not for the interactivity junk, but for firmware upgrades only.
     
  7. ManW_TheUncool

    ManW_TheUncool Well-Known Member

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    LOL. Well, it could be worse if there was only 30GB capacity on the disc. [​IMG] Really, I thought the studios wanted the same fluff no matter which format ultimately won out. Let's just hope they will at least produce high enough quality video/audio for the films themselves to push the point of diminishing returns regardless of what extra fluff they want to add.

    But actually, I guess in that sense having whatever fluff be provided via the net is a good thing. At least then less of it will need to take up space on the disc itself.

    _Man_
     
  8. Edwin-S

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    How is what Blu-ray is proposing any different than what HD DVD is proposing and has done? Why is the Blu-ray format being criticized for proposing web-based extras while HD DVD gets a pass? HD DVD has already started doing web based content and I sure don't here any complaining about that.
     
  9. Manus

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    The 51gb HD-Dvd/SD triple-decker will be with us shortly [​IMG] And hopefully they won't find a way to make web-features compulsory !

    Space usage has been an issue before . On Sd , they told us to expect movie music soundtracks among the goodies coming our way along with multiple cuts of the film .

    How many Dvd 18s in your collection ( apart from T2 ) ?? They never really tried too hard to perfect those discs did they ? And now they want to dump the format entirely and start over so Disney can load the front of their output with even more forced ads for crap [​IMG]

    ~M~
     
  10. RickER

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    We would have music soundtracks, if they didnt have to pay for them. Cost to much for so few people who care, and probably own the score anyway. I dont mind a link like DVD already has, if you want to put a DVD in and go to a site, it doesnt take that much DVD space, so its cool for any HD or Blu, but dont use space for crap...i dont like the BS on DVD either. Give me good extras please. I even tired of commentaries. How many times can you hear, "oh here he comes, thru the door!", or, So and so was so good to work with." I pass on those type of commentaries.
     
  11. ManW_TheUncool

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    I usually prefer a solid documentary over a commentary track myself. I rarely want to sit through an entire movie just so I can listen to the commentary track. I'm more likely to skip to a specific scene for the commentary track if I thought there would be something interesting to know there.

    _Man_
     
  12. Jim_K

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    I'm happy with an informative audio commentary, a well made documentary either about the films historical importance, an important director/actor/DP/writer, the subject matter or source material. Throw in a few deleted scenes and it's gravy.

    What I could care less about are behind the scenes HBO "making of" fluff pieces, PIP, pop up features during the film, games, web enabled features, my space share my favorite scenes crap, etc, etc.

    What can they use all that space for? 1 Picture quality, 2 lossless audio (I do prefer PCM which takes up more space than TrueHD and DTSMA) 3. all the extras listed that I appreciate 4. MULTIPLE VERSIONS of the film (when applicable) via seamless branching and 5. what I'd really like to see is something that was dropped in the early days of DVD.........................Isolated music scores and with BD it could be lossless. I'm probably alone in this but I think that would be a very cool feature to have.
     
  13. Clinton McClure

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    The difference is the BD camp boasting they have almost twice the storage capacity as HD, yet do not currently use it and may continue not to use it for anything really useful to the film itself. Do I have a problem with Team HD brimming their discs with fluff? I don't watch it and don't care for it. Personally, I wish all studios would drop all the extras, making ofs, documentaries, 27 commentary tracks, deleted scenes, games, easter eggs, interactive menus, music videos, etc... from the discs themselves and put it all online so whoever wished to access it could do so and whoever did not could simply be rid of it. 99.9% of compatibility problems would go away immediately, guaranteed.
     
  14. Stephen_J_H

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    This is what comes from having a game console as your most popular player. [​IMG]
     
  15. ManW_TheUncool

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    I guess Sony/BDA just can't win. Available standalones are not up-to-spec and gets bashed regularly because (or despite that) they can't do all the extra stuff that most HT enthusiasts don't want. The PS3 will be able to do all that stuff (and then some) after software updates, but it's just a lame-excuse-for-a-player "game console" and the BD format is a "gamer's format", so that's why they're gonna put all the extra fluff on BDs. NVM that it was originally the HDD studios that wanted all that extra fluff jammed into a small capacity format that actually grew bigger (but still is smaller) in part because of the BD challenger... [​IMG]

    _Man_
     
  16. Edwin-S

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    What does this have to do with anything regarding web enabled features? HD DVD does not have a game console as a spearhead, but they still managed to create web features. The HD DVD camp also played up the web enabled content as a selling feature of the format. Having a game console as one of your players has nothing to do with whether web based interactive features are used on movies.

    In fact, a lot of people here keep complaining that Blu-ray is an unfinished format because all of the features that are currently employed on HD DVD are only now becoming available on Blu-ray. There has been nothing but complaints about Blu-ray players not being 2.0 compliant and that they should have been 2.0 compliant right from the start. 2.0 compliance is all about web enabled content.

    Now there are 2.0 compliant players coming out and it is just a bunch of bitching about "lame" interactive features and yet another cheap shot about the fact that a game console is presently the best all round Blu-ray player.
     
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    Sort of like a SuperBit BD? [​IMG]

    But ouch--this is too broad for my tastes. I can do without the fancy, Java-driven menus that take a bit of time to load (at least on first gen machines), making me feel like I'm at my computer waiting for it to boot . . . which I hate. But I like most of that other type of content, and want it on the disc please.
     
  18. Jari K

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    Do you perhaps have some facts to to back this up, or is it just your "logo" talking here the "usual stuff"?

    There are (over) 450 Blu-ray-titles in the US alone. I´m sure that there are releases "using" the space and then releases that doesn´t.

    Basic issue could be, that e.g. Warner has done the same encode for both HD-formats (?), so in a way it´s the HD DVD that´s holding the BD back! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I take that 50gb anyday over 30gb. It´s the obvious choice for me (the idea that the format with 50gb would "fade away" doesn´t sound realistic). I don´t have problems with "51gb HD DVD" either, but I believe it when I see it..
     
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    Are the studios using the same encodes for both formats? Most likely. Is the 30g HD-DVD encode holding back the 50g BD encode? I don't think so. It's probably more cost efficient to use the same encode size for both formats, but if Sony wanted to pull ahead and win, they would have the studios use a 50g encode instead of the "inferior" 30g. Once again, it would have ensured a swift victory from the beginning. Instead, they claim to have a better format but don't (or can't) utilize it. I would take a 50g format over a 30g any day too, but not if the encode is the same and the extra 20g is wasted on non-essentials.
     
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    This is a tricky question and I don´t claim that I have the answers. I feel that at some cases that "30gb" might be holding Blu-ray back, but then in some cases not. Not sure..

    But at least with Warner, we SHOULD see 50gb now (after May).. Let´s hope so. I can´t say for sure.
     

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