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I have new respect for Yamaha

Discussion in 'AV Receivers' started by LaMarcus, Sep 16, 2003.

  1. LaMarcus

    LaMarcus Well-Known Member

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    I'll be honest I didn't think anything about Yamaha, they'd be last on my list for a receiver. I know Yamaha made quality stuff, but I'm kinda superfishal and I've always thought Yamaha receivers were ugly. Another reason why I wouldn't buy Harmon Kardon receivers, just ugh.

    But I went to Best Buy tonight and they had a HT set up with Yamaha receiver, klipsch front and back, and a sub. And I must say it sounded pretty damn good!

    Now I don't know how much of that was the receiver versus the speakers. But I was impressed. And I know it wasn't properly calibrated, but it still sounded awesome. And the klipsch weren't even the exspensive one's that the memeber's here have. I'm not sure what model of Klipsch they were, but they were floor standing, and the center was very small.

    Makes me think about getting some different speakers and receiver I'll tell ya that.
     
  2. ChrisLazarko

    ChrisLazarko Well-Known Member

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    Probably the Klipsch SF-1's or SF-2's. Yes, Klipsch speakers are quality speakers and Yamaha doesn't make a bad reciever. In my opinion and from the parts Harman/Kardon uses HK is a much better deal. Much better amplifier in there recievers as well as they don't include BS you don't need which will allow you to have more that you do and better quality for the price. One reason why I think HK skips 6.1 recievers and jumps from 5.1 to 7.1. 6.1 isn't really needed but I think to most people it is sort of a "WOW!" because it offers one extra channel that is kind of just useless.

    I also think HK is very flashy and nice looking, one of the best lookin' recievers before you enter seperates.
     
  3. Chris Quinn

    Chris Quinn Well-Known Member

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    Yamahas do not get the credit they deserve. They are very accurate. I'd agree that H/K aren't the best looking but it is the sound that counts. Unfortunately with H/K you need to be looking at the 525 which can hold its own. I don't think that is true of the lower H/Ks maybe the 325 too.

    I'm not a fan of the Klipsch sound.
     
  4. Wayne Ernst

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  6. Paul Anthony

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    I've owned quite a few receivers in the past...Panasonic, Sony, Marantz, Yamaha, and now my current Denon AVR-4802R. And I have never had any problems with my Yamaha, one the best sounding home theater receivers that money can buy, it has one of the best surround processors, because it gives the illusion that you're in a real live movie theater! Pretty wicked. [​IMG]
     
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    Having gone through some prepros and receivers used as prepros I can say that the new Yammy line isnot BS at all. The YPAO feature alone is worth an upgrade. I am trying out the 1400 as a prepro and am plesantly surprised by what the YPAO did in terms of soundstage and imaging. The sound for music and HT is extremely pleasing and not overwhelming at the same time. Again, I haven't used a receiver's amps since I have very good external amps but the 1400 sounds very good as a prepro (IMHO) [​IMG]
     
  8. Mark Romero

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    I love Yamaha receivers and amps. I have a 2095 receiver, and an M80 and M85 power amp. Love 'em.
     
  9. george.Legeza

    george.Legeza Well-Known Member

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    I can only speak from experience, but I'm damn happy with my Yamaha HTR-5660.

    Then again, I'm using B&W DM303s all around, so I have a strictly budget system. So YMMV.
     
  10. Kevin C Brown

    Kevin C Brown Well-Known Member

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    I have a love/hate relationship with Yamaha.

    I love their DSP, and I think it's the best in mass market components.

    I hate them, because they don't do a pre/pro! [​IMG]

    Had an RX-v793 receiver for a while, and even used it as a pre/pro for a little while longer by adding outboard amplification to it. Really liked that sucker.
     
  11. DonnyD

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    Another Yamaha fan here. And most of my friends have Yamaha too. Over the years, I've gone from the old 905, to the 2095 and then to a RVX-1 which I now have. Rock solid and even though it is a generation or two old now, it still performs as needed..... I have always liked the dsp sections acoording to what I'm doing and there is always one that sounds good on anything I'm playing.
    On the BS thing.... I think all this hype about 7.1 is really the BS. That only means two rear center outputs on the receiver and it is really only a split channel. Right?
    I achieved that same thing by just running 2 rear centers hooked to the one rear center output on my Yam so if you count speakers, I am running 9.1......... so to me it is the "numbers" that are BS since I don't know of any sources that are 7.1 encoded or 9.1 encoded. If I'm wrong about that, somebody chirp in and then maybe I'll ralize it is time to upgrade to the RXZ-9......
     
  12. Steve Lucas

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    John,
    I've been thinking about the Yamaha RX-V2400 myself. Do you mind telling me what the street price is of this unit? The reason I want it is the parametric eq and automatic set-up/room equalization. Does it work as advertised?
    I'm presently running a Marantz SR-6200.


    Steve
     
  13. John-Tompkins

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    Hello Steve,

    I went down to my local tweeters and picked it up for 899.00 (mrsp 999.00). They originally told me 999.00 but after I mentioned that abt electronics and others had it for 899.00 they said no problem. I wanted it quick and also wanted the abilty to return it if I didnt like it (owned almost every other brand in the world but not Yammie). I see on yahoo shopping some merchants have it for as low as 800.00 or so, you just dont get original warranty but you do get the "store" warranty, dont know how big a deal this is to you.

    The EQ and auto setup are for real !. They work as adveritised and then some. Things you may not know is the auto-eq has 4 different settings to choose from (FLAT,LOW,MID,HIGH)pretty cool. These give different priorities to your los,mids etc. Another thing I really like is the SURROUND ENHANCED option. This can be overlaid on dd-ex dts-matrix etc. There are many tweeks/settings in this that allow you to tailor your speakers to your room (room size,delay,liveness,decay)..I didnt think Id like the enhancement mode but its work wonderfully.

    Another thing is that you can look at your eq adjustments that the Yammie has made and actually see how flat your room/speaker response is..I ALWAYS wanted to know my room /speakers responce curve but didnt have the abilty. It will be interesting to see different peoples eq settings. I recorded mine on a thread over at avsforum and there is another thread over there "demo-ed rxv2400" that will answer alot of your questions.

    I cant speak for the Yammies amps as Im using it as a processor. The menus are kinda hard to get used to and arent as well laid out as some other manufacturers imo. Im not using video up-conversion so cant speak to that either. The looks imo arent anything special (looks like a reciever you could buy at best buys). I have a mx-500 remote so I dont really know how to rate the Yammies remote. The manual isnt well written either and doesnt do a good job of explaining things like bass management.

    What I can say is that the rxv2400 used as a HT processor sounds excellant..no listener fatigue or brightness perceived, dialog is crisp and clear, processing and seperation are excellant, rear soundfield is full and totally tweekable.

    The parametric auto-eq and surround enhancements on the yamaha make these recievers special and something no other manufacturer has at this time. IMO for its price range this is the unit to try and beat if your the competetion.
     
  14. Neil Joseph

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    Count me in as a Yammie supporter as well. Love the DSP modes and the sound. RXV-2300.
     
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    I have had a Yamaha RX-V2095 since '99 and recently took it in to be serviced. I had been using it in the bedroom system after I upgraded to a B&K preamp for the theater, but I always loved this receiver which was why I took it in instead of just getting rid of it. Anyway I went ahead and bought an RX-V740 to tide me over for the 6-8 weeks that the 2095 would be serviced. Man I tell you after I hooked it up, and calibrated I brought in EP2 AOTC, and this receiver KILLED the 2095. Everything seem to be more alive with the 740. I mean wow.
    Anyway....yeah, so to make a long story short Yamaha makes a great product, and if I for some insane reason had to downgrade my current theater, I'd be more than happy with a Yamaha receiver.
     
  16. Wayne Ernst

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    John,

    Did you get rid of your Lexicon processor ??
     
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    Wayne,
    John explains in this thread.
     
  18. John-Tompkins

    John-Tompkins Well-Known Member

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    Yea Wayne, to be honest I could have managed to keep the mc-8. But in my case I just couldnt justify to myself having that much money sitting on one shelf of my rack when I have so many other things I could do with the extra money. Plus the price of the mc-8 about equals what I paid for my ENTIRE system. I paid about 5 grand for everything (NHT T5 speakers which include 2 NHT B5 bass modules and NHT X-1 crossover along with a NHT M5 center, 4 CITATION 7.3 DIPOLES , PARASOUND 2003 AMP, CROWN XLS450 PRO-AMP, SHERWOOD AM9080 AMP, SVSPLUS20-39, TOSHIBA SD-4800 dvd-audio, YAMAHA RX-V2400 RECIEVER

    Now to be fair the retail on this setup would be around 11 grand but I shopped long and hard for killer deals.

    Having said that, The MC-8 is just about the perfect processor and there wanst a single thing I could bitch about.When comparing the mc-8 to other comparable priced pre-pros I would go with the mc-8.

    I can hear the differences between the rx-v2400 and the mc-8 fairly easily but the rx-v2400 sounds REALLY good and I will say that my wife, friend and two sons have NOT been able to tell the difference...They all say it sounded great two weeks ago and it sounds great right now..
     
  19. Dalton

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    I believe the biggest problem with the YPAO parametric EQ feature is that it is limited to lower center frequency of 62Hz with a "Q" bandwidth that is too wide at 1/3 octave.

    This isn't really much help with the bass modal room peaks we all find in our HT rooms.

    They don't specify what the frequency width or "Q" of their parametric EQ is at the various frequencies used in the FLAT,LOW,MID,HIGH options, so it's pretty hard to judge how effective it is, except by listening.

    IMHO, I like to know what the parameters of the parametric EQ being applied is; center frequency, width of filter "Q", and how much SPL + or -. This is important to know so you don't clip the amplifiers, which is VERY EASY to do with SPL+ parametric EQ boost of only +3dB.
     

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