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    Star Wars Episode II
    Attack Of The Clones




    Studio: Twentieth Century Fox
    Year: 2002
    Rated: PG
    Film Length: 143 minutes
    Aspect Ratio: 16X9 Enhanced Widescreen (2.35:1)
    Subtitles: English



    A Jedi Shall Not Know Anger.
    Nor Hatred. Nor Love.

    It's sort of funny how your perspective on a film
    changes the more you see it. Many of you may
    remember that I had posted one of the very first
    internet reviews of Attack Of The Clones.
    In that review I stated that Clones was "the
    Empire Strikes Back of this new saga" and "it goes
    back to the formula that made everyone fall in love
    with the series in the first place."
    While all of that may be true, time and repeated
    viewing have made me feel lesser of this film.
    Certainly, Lucas has improved upon The Phantom
    Menace
    , probably the most over hyped motion
    picture of the last decade whose inability to
    satisfy Star Wars fans ruined the reputation of
    the entire series.
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    Attack of the Clones opens approximately ten years
    after the events of The Phantom Menace. Anakin
    Skywalker (Hayden Christensen), having spent a
    decade under the supervision of his mentor, Obi-Wan
    Kenobi (Ewan McGregor), is anxious to become a
    full-fledged Jedi. A large group of systems
    have openly rebelled against the Republic, forming
    a Separatists movement within the Senate, all
    marshaled behind a man known only as Count Dooku
    (Christopher Lee). After an assassination attempt
    on senator Amidala (Natalie Portman), Anakin and
    Obi-Wan are assigned to protect her. Anakin's reunion
    with Padmé has sparked long-standing feelings within
    the young Padawan, and both begin to form a sensual
    bond with each other, making them look like two
    horny celibates. Amidala stands at the vanguard of
    two movements within the Senate -- the loyalist
    faction, in favor of holding the Republic together;
    and the anti-army faction, who sees the concept of
    an Army of the Republic as a dangerous way to keep
    that Republic together.
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    Filled with awesome new and unique panoramic
    landscapes, Clones is a visual treat. The
    root of the problem is, the more I watch AOTC,
    the more I am bothered with Lucas's writing ability.
    The film is filled with redundant and sappy dialogue.
    Even worse, for nearly its entire length, we are
    subjected to the whining and grating of pre-Vader
    Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) who not only
    complains about everything, but has to deliver some
    of the most poorly written romantic dialogue,
    latching onto Padme (Natalie Portman) as if he was
    some sort of galactic stalker.
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    As always, the effects and locales are visually
    stunning. Thrilling 'car' chases through the
    Blade Runner-esque streets of Coruscant. Detailed
    battle sequences. Light sabers 'thrumming' through
    the air. And while the story is a bit sluggish
    throughout its first half (mostly concentrating
    on the love story), Attack of the Clones is
    entertaining when it shifts into high gear such
    as the climatic battle featuring a digitally
    reinvented Yoda and a towering Darth Tyranus.
    How is the transfer?
    There has been much debate over the past few
    years whether film should be replaced by the new
    digital medium. No matter what your personal
    thoughts are on this matter, there is no denying
    that digital filmmaking has a direct impact on
    DVD transfer presentation.
    Never before have I seen a film look this
    incredible on any format. This DVD will be the
    benchmark that all other DVDs are compared to.
    The transfer looks so absolutely clear and defined
    that it comes just short of looking high-def.
    This is what a direct digital to digital transfer
    does for DVD. It gives you a picture that is
    virtually flawless in every aspect. What you have
    is absolute picture purity with no underlying film
    grain or noise. You have sharpness and detail that
    is unprecedented. The perfect example of this can be
    seen on the planet Geonosis where grains of sand on
    the desert floor are seen with uttermost detail that
    would otherwise look blotchy on film. Colors
    throughout this transfer are not only solid and
    stable, but practically leap off the screen. There
    are two visual highlights on this DVD. The first
    involves the car chase across Coruscant in which
    the depth and texture of the scene is nothing short
    of eye-popping. It almost looks 3D. Then there's
    the final battle between Anakin and Dokuu. For
    almost thirty seconds the two characters become
    invisible, represented only by their red and blue
    light sabers that glow with such intensity that
    has to be seen to believed.
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    The 5.1 Dolby digital mix is not as aggressive nor
    hot as The Phantom menace mix was, but far more
    balanced with sounds being more accurately placed
    through your speaker array. The LFE channel
    response is particularly strong, accenting starship
    crossovers, speeding racers, and effect explosions.
    John William's fabulous score so wonderfully envelopes
    the sound area. I have to go back and once again
    rave about the car chase across Curuscant. The sonic
    support is just as impressive as the visual. You
    really get a sense of how masterfully sounds are
    placed in each individual channel making you feel
    as if you were taking part in the chase itself.
    There is no doubt that the dynamics of this soundtrack
    are perhaps the best of any DVD to date.
    Special Features
    Attack of the Clones arrives in a 2-disc
    widescreen edition. A separate full-frame edition
    is available to those who prefer portions of their
    picture lopped off.
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    As you pop in the DVD, you are immediately treated
    to an exciting menu sequence that begins with a
    starfield and the STAR WARS logo. The transparent
    letters of the logo contain individual scenes from
    the film. The logo is suddenly overshadowed by
    an EPISODE II logo which then dissolves back into
    the starfield as we are led through an asteroid
    belt and onto the planet of Geonosis where the
    great arena becomes the backdrop for the MAIN MENU.
    All of this was wonderfully created by designer
    Van Ling, whose work is impeccable throughout this
    set.
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    Disc One contains the entire film that
    has the option of being played in Dolby Digital
    5.1 surround EX
    or in Spanish or French
    2.0 Dolby Surround
    .
    Feature length commentary by George Lucas,
    Rick McCallum, Ben Burtt. Rob Coleman, Pablo Helman,
    John Knoll and Ben Snow. Other than Lucas and
    McCullum, it's very hard to distinguish many of
    the unfamiliar voices, so I'll just generalize
    some of the information given. George Lucas begins
    by saying that the purpose of the first film was
    to introduce all the politics of the story. Now, he's
    happy that he can finally get into the demise of
    the Jedi order and the ultimate rise of the Empire.
    Right off the bat, the filmmakers talk about the
    importance of taking the leap and creating a digital
    Yoda. Actually, there were two shots in Phantom
    Menace
    that featured the digital character. Now
    was the time to take it one step further. During
    the entire car chase through Coruscant, we learn
    how all the bits and pieces of digital effects were
    put together including the challenges of creating
    a city with buildings that don't look the same.
    As the film progresses and heads over to the Jedi
    temple, we learn how many of the background plates
    used in Episode I were re-used here. Lucas
    points out that the diner scene was a homage to
    his "American Graffiti" film. We also learn that
    the library scene was added as a prelude to the
    next film where we will learn more about the person
    who erased the archival tapes. During the chase
    into the asteroid field, the filmmakers give us a
    pretty good idea of where we are at -- a audio black
    hole where all sound gets pulled in for an instant,
    holds it, and then lets it snap back. Cool! The
    filmmakers tried not to go too over-the-top in
    the violence portrayed in the great arena battle
    (George is sensitive to those issues), but all
    agreed that a lot of what is shown is the kind of
    stuff a 9-year old would love to see! Rick McCullum
    explains that the entire sequence was a nightmare
    to shoot, getting the lighting just right, building
    the miniatures, and pulling the entire sequence
    together with very little use of storyboards.
    The commentary remains for the most part very
    low-key and technical. There's no sense of anyone
    having a lot of fun here, but the information is
    sure plentiful.
    Disc Two is where you'll find your meat
    and potatoes worth of supplemental features. There
    is a lot of material to go through here, and I am
    more than happy to break it down for you as best
    I can.
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    Once again, the DVD begins with a very impressive
    animated menu by designer Van Ling. As the faces
    of each of our characters dissolve in and out of
    a revolving table, we are led through the doors
    and into the halls of the great library. This
    will be the setting for our Main Menu. I will
    take you through each of the selections in order
    of their appearance here.
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    First up is Theatrical Trailers and TV Spots
    that take us to the beautiful neon-lit heights of
    Curuscant. The first screen gives us 4 neon-lit
    choices of trailers. The first are the original
    teaser trailers that we all so fondly remember.
    The fourth is the film's final original
    theatrical trailer. It is also here that you
    will find the music video, "Across The
    Stars" that features John William's orchestra
    performing highlights of the film's score on
    a huge scoring stage, intertwined with clips from
    the film. When you click on TV Spots you
    are whizzed from balcony heights into the cantina
    below where you stop at a new menu that gives you
    a selection of 12 spots to choose from. These spots
    are broken down by character and action sequences.
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    Let's move on to the Documentaries area....
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    There are two Documentaries presented
    on this DVD. The first is a very impressive
    documentary called From Puppets to Pixels
    that I originally saw out at Fox studios last month.
    This 56-minute documentary features animation
    director Rob Coleman and his team at LucasFilm.
    Most prominent in this feature is the creation
    of an all-new Yoda. For the first time, this
    beloved creature has gone from puppet to digital.
    While the team at LucasFilm were able to create
    a much more refined character, they were ultimately
    afraid that their new creation would look vastly
    superior to the original puppet. Therefor, flaws
    were intentionally placed in the new digital
    character to make Yoda like his old self. There's
    an interesting moment here when Christopher Lee
    comments how his entire film career has been
    focused on performance. However, in this new age
    of digitally superimposing your co-stars, that
    performance becomes more difficult, heavily relying
    on imagination. This documentary gives you a
    terrific perspective of how Lucas sits down with
    his people, reviews their ideas and makes his
    final decisions. Funny...judging by his movies as
    of late, I thought he didn't listen to anybody
    but himself.
    State of the art: the previsualization of
    Episode II is a 23-minute documentary that
    takes us away from ordinary storyboards as we
    learn how AOTC as well as the earlier
    Star Wars films were visualized prior to shooting.
    I was floored by watching side-by-side windows
    that showed how World War II dogfight scenes were
    almost exactly synched with the tie-fighter scenes
    of the original Star Wars film. Dolls
    and models on sticks were used to previsualize
    the speed bike race through the forest trees.
    By the time Phantom Menace came around,
    computer animation became the norm for virtual
    filming in real time that gave Lucas a better idea
    of what he was shooting. There is lots of raw
    footage of the actors working amongst blue-screen
    sets and how matte paintings were added afterwards.
    It's interesting to learn that the Clone War
    sequences bypassed storyboards and went right into
    animatics where thousands of characters were drawn
    into this highly complex sequence. The animators
    were given a lot of free reign by the director as
    they introduced some unique camera angles and zoom
    shots not ordinarily associated with this type of
    animation.
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    There are 8 deleted scenes that include...
    * Padme addressing the Senate giving a passionate
    speech against the Republic raising an army. The
    scene was obviously a little too long, thus
    warranting its removal.
    * Obi-Wan brings the poison dart to the Jedi
    analysis room to see if the source of the dart
    can be identified. It was one of the first
    sequences finished for the film, and it looks
    great, but the scene became an unnecessary
    inclusion.
    * This is my favorite deleted scene which I
    strongly argue should never have been removed, or
    better yet, used in place of another scene. Here
    Obi-Wan and Mace talk against a beautifully
    detailed landing platform. Amongst the things
    discussed is Obi-Wan admitting to Mace that his
    young Padawan has emotional connections to the
    Senator and may not be ready to be on his own.
    * An extended arrival on Naboo has a nice grand
    location and some extended dialogue between
    Anakin and Padme (some of it political), but
    overall it was a bit too long and information was
    presented here that no significance on the film.
    * Here's another great sequence that had to be
    removed for time restraints. Padme visits her
    parents on Naboo. The scene explores some of
    Padme's problems including her denial of Anakin's
    affections. It's a great opportunity not only to
    see her relationship with her parents, but the
    introducing of Anakin as a sort of protective
    boyfriend.
    * Be careful -- you aren't going to see the
    action you want (dirty boys), but there's a scene
    in Padme's bedroom where Anakin learns a little
    more of her personal history. Look on the walls
    for a set of 5 picture frames that contain live
    photographs.
    * An interrogation scene with Count Dooku and
    Padme. Padme demands the release of Obi-Wan
    Kenobi, but it falls to deaf ears.
    * Dooku pronounces sentence while Anakin and
    Padme stand trial. The scene was removed as it
    presented Dooku as a bad guy too early on.
    It's interesting to note that all of these
    sequences were finished exclusively for this
    DVD. They look absolutely terrific here.
    All of these scenes can be played with optional
    introductions by Director George Lucas, Producer
    Ric McCullum, and Editor/Sound Designer Ben Burtt.
    I strongly suggest playing the introductions prior
    to watching the scenes.
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    In the Featurettes area we find three
    segments devoted to different aspects of the
    film. These are mostly dull production pieces
    that give us no information that we don't know
    already. Story brings up up-to-date on
    the last 10 years, telling us where Anakin is
    at in this point of his life and where this
    story in the saga is going to lead him.
    filmmakers and actors such as Samuel L. Jackson
    Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor gloss over
    the story that is to be told in Episode II.
    Love primarily features actors Natalie
    Portman and Hayden Christensen who talk about
    character attractions. George Lucas compares
    their attraction to that of Han and Leia. Costume
    Designer Trisha Biggar talks about bringing a
    softer side to Padme in this film by dressing
    her in more skin revealing clothes, showing her
    tummy for the first time. Action concentrates
    on the action-filled magical world of Star Wars,
    as cast members talk about the things that make
    this film so enjoyable. Samuel L. Jackson talks
    about how happy he is to finally wield a light
    saber as we see some brief blue-screen Jedi
    light-saber action being filmed. Unfortunately,
    the only thing that Natalie Portman got to wield
    was a hairdryer.
    These entire three sequences run nearly 26
    minutes in total. An easily skippable portion
    of the disc as I found it to suffer from pure
    promotional hype and little substance
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    Let's move on to Web Documentaries....
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    Web Documentaries presents us with no less
    than 12 documentaries that are shorter and precisely
    to the point. I'll give you a short summary of
    some of the material included here. Here
    we go again looks at the ongoing debate of
    using digital film vs. traditional film. Fortunately
    we get both sides of view here from both George
    Lucas as well as the film purists. We didn't
    go to the desert to get a suntan brings us
    back to Star Wars and Empire as
    we visit the hot desert location of Tatooine and
    the icy location of Hoth (filmed in Norway). In
    the old days, all the props and houses had to be
    built. Now in the digital era, there is so much
    more flexibility. A twinkle beyond Pluto
    takes a look at the human extras that make up
    the aliens of the films. Casting Director Ros
    Breden talks about the huge response they get at
    casting calls due to the fact these extras are also
    fans. It's a nice personal look at the people who
    fill the frame. Look for a hidden secret from
    Episode I, where two unlikely extras are
    revealed. Good to G.O. takes us to the
    heyday of the Jedi Knights as Samuel L. Jackson
    talks about the weapon of choice -- the light saber.
    With every new Star Wars film comes an entirely
    new style of fighting. To add to that, every Jedi
    has their own unique style of fighting that
    represents a bit of their personality. Stunt
    Coordinator Nick Gillard is seen on the set giving
    some pointers to Hayden Christensen. It is pointed
    out that in order to do the aggressive light saber
    fights, one must have a good sense of balance as
    well as keen hand-eye coordination.
    These documentaries run about 5-7 minutes each,
    and touch on other topics such as Padme's wardrobe,
    sound effects and meeting the Fett family.
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    Let's go to Dex's Kitchen and still galleries...
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    The still galleries area has many pictures
    for you to browse through. Exclusive production
    photos lets you look through nearly 90 personal
    photos from the set. Each of these photos includes
    text that gives information on the content. Next
    is a gallery of one-sheet posters that give
    us an idea of how the film was promoted from teaser
    banners through posters that were made for the
    International markets. Finally, International
    outdoor campaign presents us with many of the
    outdoor character shots (against sky), some of
    which were cleverly used to promote the 2002 World
    Cup Football Tournament.
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    Now let's go to Dex's kitchen and see what
    he has cooked up for us....
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    Films are not released: they escape takes
    us through one of the most important elements of
    this film: sound. Enter Editor and Sound Designer
    Ben Burtt who has been recording sounds since 1975.
    There are now 5,000 of these recordings stored in
    the Star Wars sound library. You'll have a smile
    on your face as you see where many of the sound
    elements from the film originated from. The sound
    of a bi-plane was used for the fighters on the
    planet Geonosis. The sounds of real machinery were
    used in the film's pressing plant sequence. The
    sounds had to be recomposed, however, to give it a
    more alien-like quality. There's a wonderful moment
    where we see Frank Oz at the studio mike providing
    voice to his new digital alter-ego. Of course no
    documentary would be complete without talking about
    the Foley artists who use ordinary props to make
    sound effects, acting the film out as if it were a
    radio show. What really turned me off was
    watching how kissing noises were added to Padme and
    Anakin's most intimate moments. Really, folks, some
    things should never be revealed.
    (length: approx. 25 minutes)
    You will love this! Episode II visual effects
    breakdown montage gives us the skinny on all
    the layering of the ILM effects that were added
    to raw footage. With a techno beat as its base,
    this becomes an uplifting, fun and revealing look
    at creating digital magic.
    (length: approx 3.5 minutes)
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    For those of you that read about our visit to
    Fox studios last month, you are probably aware
    of how much we enjoyed R2-D2: Beneath the Dome.
    This 6-minute mockumentary promo chronicles the
    rise and fall of our droid friend. Did you know
    that R2D2 used to hang out with Richard Dreyfuss
    in his early years, only to snub the actor after
    becoming jealous of Richard's success? How about
    the years where R2D2 performed in dance recitals
    and stage shows? You'll be amazed as Francis Ford
    Coppola talks about how he begged R2D2 to play
    Michael Corleone in The Godfather, only to
    be turned down by the droid. Of course, fame
    comes with a price, as we see a down-and-out R2D2
    on skid row living beneath newspapers. This will
    certainly be a feature of the DVD that will be
    talked about for months to come.
    DVD-ROM content connects you to a website
    only available to owners of this disc. The site
    has a tremendous amount of content ranging from
    unpublished photos as well as inside information
    on the making of both The Phantom Menace and
    Episode II DVDs.
    Final Thoughts
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    Despite its flaws Episode II is still
    the best Star Wars film since The Empire
    Strikes Back
    . Do I really have to twist
    your arm to buy this DVD? Star Wars fan or not,
    you really need to experience this film in your
    own home as it will truly test the limits of
    your home theater system. The transfer of this
    DVD looks unlike anything you have seen before.
    It's a reference disc that will be hard to beat
    since everything else is just...well...film.
    Release Date: November 12, 2002
    *** My thanks to Steven Simon who contributed
    some remarks on audio and video transfer quality to this review
     
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    WOW! great review Ron! I can't wait to have such a great disc to show off my video display at the same time as the audio. Boy LOTR extended and THIS DAmn what a good day to look forward to!!

    -B
     
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    Thanks for the review, Ron. I've gotta say, my opinion of the film is just about the same as yours- everytime I watch it I spot new stuff that just irks me. And I'd probably also rank it just below Return of the Jedi, but above The Phantom Menace. I can't wait to get this disc just for the transfer, alone.
     
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    Great review Ron (& Steven), can't wait now for this title to come out, actually it's coming out one month from now so it does'nt seem as long a wait as you would think. Anyway after Bugs Life and Toy Story, etc I always thought that the digital to digital transfers really brought the most out of DVD, but unfortunatley they were all animation titles so you could'nt see what a live action movie would look like........until now. So I will have a great time showing this disc off to family and friends and enjoying it myself just to appreciate what it does for my system. I saw it in DTS theatricaly (I only saw the movie once in the threatre, on the first showing on the first day), so it will be good to see how the DD5.1 will measure up against that presentation, and aginst Ep1 (not a great film, but not as bad as people say, although not a patch on Ep2 or the original trilogy).
     
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    yeeah yeeah!
     
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    Looks like yet another great Fox DVD of a new release.

    About the dialogue...it's no secret that the SW movies are inspired by classic serials like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers. Look for a Flash Gordon DVD (Space Soldiers would be the best to start with) and see if you can tell a difference.

    The bad dialogue is straight of the serials...and just as silly.
     
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    Great review Ron![​IMG] Your opinion has done a complete 180 Ron.[​IMG] As for my opinion on this film, I love it as much as I did the first time. No, it's not flawless. But then I wouldn't know what that is since I've never seen a flawless film.
     
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    Dang, that was one long review. Took me a half hour to read, but it was worth it. Thank you for the review Ron and I hope you continue to make worthy review for all us to read. And if one person says artifacting here, they are getting a death sentence at Geonosis!
     
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    Counting down the days to Nov. 12th. This is my most anticipated DVD release over these next 3 months.
    Thanks for the review Ron.
    Peace Out~[​IMG]
     
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    I do not believe film is a dead medium as many of us witnessed when subjected to the hugely pixelized film transfer of AotC's digital files. The digital video cameras and storage media of today (like the ones used for AotC) just cannot compete with the very best film stock... yet.

    Although the movie looks very good as a direct digital to digital transfer you must remember that the raw live-action movie elements were shot at less than 1920 x 1080p 24 fps resolution (due to some in-camera 2.35:1 letterboxing masking since the specialized Panavision lenses weren't all ready yet), and the transfer is subjected to a downrezing to 480i for DVD.

    What needs to be done for film in the future when being prepped for digital home video is that the digital file masters created to color correct, edit, and add opticals to many new movies shot on film should be the source for any digital video master for home use. What's wrong with the telecine equipment used now?, you ask. Resolution.

    Kodak's CineCite, IMAX Corp., and other higher caliber theatrical post production houses use digital scanning machines, and data storage, and super computers that use much higher resolution than normal home video telecine suites in order for the end result to be printed back onto film stock with no visual degradation apparent; film stock that includes giant format negatives like IMAX and standard 70 mm.

    Since these data files contain super resolution, no dust, no dirt, no scratches, no bobbing or weaving, no film blemishes of any sort, and start with the best color correction (the DP and director supervise every step of the process), they should be the source for all digital to digital transfers to 1080p and lower video masters.

    Only then will we start to see transfers that are jaw droppingly beautiful as standard practice, not as the exception.

    Until digital video catches up with 35 mm and 70 mm film stock and becomes the norm. this should be the way film is transferred and ultimately used for home video masters.

    As for this particular movie, a very good review, Ron. I'm glad to see Lucasfilm learned from its mistakes with TPM DVD (although still no DTS-ES Discrete track that would best the EX track for surround localization).

    Personally, I will not be purchasing this DVD as Star Wars has gone way down hill in my estimation. No amount of digital transfering care can improve shoddy acting, writing, and cartoonish CGI. Not that the original, untouched Trilogy was Shakespeare in the Park by any stretch of the imagination, but at least it had a charm that this new breed of Star Wars film can't touch, and characters (for the most part) who had some personality and vital spark (Darth Vader as voiced by James Earl Jones, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, C-3PO and R2-D2, and a few other assorted villans and aliens) greater than dish mops.

    Too bad...

    Dan
     
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    Nice review! I'll be definately getting this one. I enjoyed the movie and can't wait to check it out again! And the extras sound great too.
     
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    Man, I might have to fire up a few scenes in this disc before I start watching the LOTR:EE on Nov.12.
    On second thought...nah.[​IMG] However, the fact that I even considered that speaks volumes of my anticipation for this disc(s).
     
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    Thank God there's someone who didn't like the film and is not buying it. Dan, I can respect you for sticking to your guns. I disagree with your opinions on the film, but it makes no sense to buy a DVD of a film you don't like. I'm always wary of people who claim to hate a film, then they rush out and buy the DVD. And the demo excuse doesn't hold water either. There are dozens of reference quality DVDs that make great demo material. Enough so that you can find something you like, and you're not forced to buy something you don't like. So keep sticking to your guns Dan. I can respect that.
     
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    The poorly written script and the awful acting by hayden made it very hard to watch episode 2. I think the kid from episode 1 was much better.. I know many don;t agree with that.. Mark Hamill is even better then Hayden. I like the other star wars movies much better.. I even like episode 1 better.. I migh add that I am fan of the original flash gordon serial.. and had better actors in that serial then this one. I have no plans to buy this dvd either.. if you are a fan of episode 2.. then go for it. buy it on dvd. I am sure you will enjoy the movie like I will enjoy spidey.

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    funny? good or bad?

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    I agree 100% with your film assessment Ron. I too saw this in the theater and thought "OH HECK YEAH! WAY BETTER THAN EP1!!!"
    Then I realized later, as I promised myself I would repeat view Ep2 in digital, that I was less and less impressed w/ my memories of the movie, and for all the reasons you've listed (and some you haven't).
    I came to this realization that (for me, YMMV): being better than Ep1 does not mean it's a good film. Definitely not ESB-good (IMO) and not even RoTJ-good (again IMO).
    So I will purchase this on DVD because, well, I have to have ONE Star Wars film on DVD that doesn't totally stink (yet again, IMO - I'm trying not to flamebait, these are all my feelings on the New Trilogy). And one that isn't filled with enough haloes to make everyone look angelic... [​IMG]
    BTW, I never got around to seeing that digital screening for Ep2 (or any other film screening). The initial excitement over it died quickly and I haven't been motivated to spend money to see it again. I figured I'd buy the DVD and that's that.
     
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    Funny, in that I've seen many of the Flash Gordon serials, and those contain the worst acting in the history of acting. I'm not saying the performances in AOTC are Oscar-caliber, but the worst performance in AOTC is three times better than anything on Flash Gordon. I think the acting is solid in AOTC. Hayden has 3-4 instances of bad dialogue, and Natalie had one bad line of dialogue. But I thought the performances were solid. Ewan, McDiarmid, and Lee, were fantastic I thought. Sam Jackson is the same as he is every every film. He's typical Sam Jackson. Pulp Fiction is the only film I thought he was spectacular in. He's alway solid, but not spectacular. I thought Hayden gave a very good performance as a young man not in control of his anger or emotions. Natalie was the weakest, but she was so much more natural and less stiff compared to who TPM performance. I just think saying Flash Gordon has better performances is a huge overstatement.
    This film has been debated to death. Just thought that was a bit funny. Differing opinions. By the way, AOTC wipes the floor with TPM.[​IMG]
     
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    Great review. I saw Clones five times and I actually liked it better each time. Of course, I am a Star Wars fan too.
     

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