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DVD Review HTF REVIEW: HALLOWEEN - 25th ANNIVERSARY

Discussion in 'DVD' started by Michael Osadciw, Oct 28, 2003.

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  1. Thomas Koeberl

    Thomas Koeberl Active Member

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    I'd like to show a few comparative screenshots (Halloween 1999 vs 2003) alas I am not yet allowed to post foreign URLs. What strange rule is that? Never saw this before. Well ...[​IMG]

    members.chello.at/koeberl/halloween/index.htm

    this is the URL, u know what to add. (no www)
     
  2. JonZ

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    IMHO, the version with the blue tint is the way to watch the film.

    Thats the way I remember it being for the past 23 years Ive been watching this film and I agree that without it, some of the atmosphere and mood disappears.
     
  3. Lyle_JP

    Lyle_JP Well-Known Member

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    So Damin,

    Have you actually bought the disc yet or are you still just using other people's reviews to form your declaration that this disc is "wrong"?

    -Lyle J.P.
     
  4. Rich Malloy

    Rich Malloy Well-Known Member

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    I've seen it, and we really don't need to personalize this, Lyle. I'm hoping Damin sees how pointless it would be to rise to your bait.

    Simply put, if you like the new look, then bully for you. Just consider this whole color timing thing to be FYI, and go on with your life. No need to call anyone out.
     
  5. Lyle_JP

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    I only mention it to see if anything has changed in the last few months. In the previous thread, Damin was the most vocal opponent to the new release, calling it a "pile of feces" in one post and claimed that "all the blues had been turned to white" (not true) in another, despite having never watched the disc. I just think people coming into this thread after not having read the last one might want to know that, as it will help them determine how much credibility they wish to give his posts (or mine, for that matter).

    -Lyle J.P.
     
  6. Rich Malloy

    Rich Malloy Well-Known Member

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    You mean people who post on internet forums are prone to hyperbole?!? Well, I'll be damned... [​IMG]
     
  7. Simon_Lepine

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    I was one of the bashers of the new release in the old thread, but I gave in and bought this version anyway.

    I don't regret my decision, since the extras were worth it, but I can't say I'm pleased with the colors. I couldn't believe how sharp it looked though, I was impressed by that.
     
  8. StevenF

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    How does the new Halloween (25th Anniversary Edition) compare to the Anchor Bay Halloween (Limited Collector's Edition) with the lanticular cover that had both the Theatrical Cut and the TV cut of teh film? Is this new edition better.

    I wasn't sure which version the 1999 edition you were talking about was.
     
  9. Chris Tedesco

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    I'm very hesitant on buying this one. To me, the 1999 THX version is very good for a movie that came out in 1978. The colors are a part of the movie. Removing them is ridiculous.
     
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    Vincent,

    If you do a search on Lambs, there was discussion about the MGM transfer approval by Tak F. It's been verified and sources are discussed.

    Steven,

    All 1999 versions look the same essentially. The Extended Cut's scenes are a little more noticable as far as age.
     
  11. Damin J Toell

    Damin J Toell Well-Known Member

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    So is this new 25th Anniversary Edition better than the Halloween (Limited Collector's Edition) with the lanticular cover?
     
  13. Michael Osadciw

    Michael Osadciw Well-Known Member

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    Steven, as you can see, this is up for debate among the film's fans.

    Resolution, colour fidelity, and uniformity has dramatically improved on the 2003 release, as well as the ability to see into the dark areas in the picture without a hint of film grain. It is a wonderful improvement.

    Fans on the other hand feel it doesn't hold true to the colour palette of the 1999 release and earlier versions, and would rather give up the new clean transfer for the older one that is lacking in definition in many areas in direct comparison - but still holds well on its own.

    I appreciate both versions, but the nature of me likes the added visual depth of the new release.

    You be the judge.

    Regards
    Michael

    BTW; to the gentleman who asked if the 1999 limited edition lenticular release is the same as the stand-alone 1999 release in regards to image quality - the answer is 'yes'.
     
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    Can we just change the color tint on the TV to have the blue back on?
     
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    Audio never is a problem.
     
  18. Gordon McMurphy

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    The color scheme on the 1999 transfer is not from a 'timed' 35mm answer print, the colours were altered on a telecine. That's what Adam Adams does, he's a telecine colorist.

    Here's what I think Anchor Bay did in:

    1999:

    - Acquired the original 35mm camera negative

    - Had it cleaned in a lab for scratches and blemishes

    - Made a new 35mm interpositive

    - Scanned it into a telecine

    - Adam Adams with Dean Cundey's assistance, boosted the blue hues and added blue hues to plain white lighting

    - Transfered images to digital tape

    - Authored to DVD


    2003:

    - Acquired the previous 35mm interpositive

    - Scanned it into a telecine

    - Digitally removed all noticeable scratches and blemishes

    - Transfered images to digital tape in high definition

    - Authored to DVD


    I think that the 2003 transfer is a straight transfer of the interpostive made directly from the original camera negative without any color alterations and then transfered in high-def to digital tape and then to DVD, with extensive scratch removal done in the digital domain. The grass is bright green because the film was shot in late spring, and that's what the o-neg captured, and thus a new interpositive printed on modern 35mm filmstock is rendered in richer colors than was possible in 1978. For the 1999 transfer, the greens were most probably muted. Kinda like what John Landis did for Universal's "too good" transfer of Animal House - also shot in 1978.

    The 2003 transfer has the blue hues from the lighting Cundey used way back in '78, they are just not as pronounced as in the 1999 transfer, but that is because the 1999 color scheme was revised by Cundey (with Adams pushing the buttons, etc) and that's great - I think the color on the '99 transfer is awesome, but the 2003 transfer is by no means, 'wrong' in my opinion, it's just a purer, unenhanced presentation of the film.

    Now, I cannot back any of this up, I'm just looking at things objectively. I think that both transfers have their merits. It would have been great if Cundey or Adams or Carpenter could have supervised the 2003 transfer, but it didn't happen, for whatever reasons. But then how many transfered are supervised by the director and/or cinematographer? [​IMG]


    Gordy
     
  19. Simon_Lepine

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    Because Cundley approved the 99 transfer doesn't mean it's the way the film was originally meant. It wouldn't be the first case of revisionism :cough:George Lucas:cough: [​IMG]

    Plus I'd rather trust the director's word on this than the DP, maybe Cundley made it the way he wanted it to be, not the way Carpenter wanted back then.
     
  20. Gordon McMurphy

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    I cannot say that I completely agree with you, Simon, as I respect Cundey greatly, but I understand where you are coming from. Carpenter would most surely diplomatically state that Halloween was a team-effort and that Cundey did a great job, etc - and rightly so. I'm sure if he saw the new DVD, he would say it looked great. Who knows. Maybe in Carpenter's mind, there is no definate look for every shot in Halloween, as it would be hard to remember such details. You really would have to show Carpenter and Cundey both transfers and then let them discuss it. It's a difficult situation.

    Look at the new transfer on the MGM Special Edition of The Howling - it's totally wrong. The SE Laserdisc had the true, Joe Dante (and cinematographer John Hora?) approved transfer. But MGM just used their old transfer with the wrong colors, when someone at MGM ought to have known about the previous Laserdisc vs. DVD debacle. I'm sure than Dante would be frustrated by the SE transfer. Maybe Dean Cundey would feel the same in regard to Halloween, but would John Carpenter?


    Gordy
     

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