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Help! sony 4ES decoding problem with DTS-ES.

Discussion in 'AV Receivers' started by HaryR, Dec 9, 2002.

  1. HaryR

    HaryR Extra

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    Hi Guys,

    I have a 4ES with a 6.1 set up. I tried to play Gladiator in DTS-ES and I believe it didn't decode the sound properly.

    It was set up on Normal surround, auto-decoding, and Surround back auto. The screen kept saying "Neo Cinema" which I believe is for DTS-NEo.

    Could you let me know what to do?

    I also tried the DTS 6.1 speaker ID test with S&V tune-up disk and it didn't work either as I kept hearing the
    "right surround", "surround back" "left surround" (all three of them) in the RIGHT AND LEFT SURROUND only!

    Any help?

    Thanks,

    Hary
     
  2. Seth_L

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    Put the 4ES in A.F.D.

    Seth
     
  3. AaronBatiuk

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    I agree: put the 4ES in AFD (auto-decoding) mode, not "Normal Surround". Also make sure to disconnect the analog audio input coming from the DVD player and/or explicity select the correct digital input using "Input Mode" on the front panel under the volume control. Just in case.
    Also, make sure that your DVD player is setup to output DTS signals as a DTS data bitstream, rather than decoding them and outputting in 2 channel downmixed PCM mode.
    Play the dts source, and after the receiver has sat idle for a few seconds (anything on the display disappears and the display returns to 'normal'), twist the jog dial to get information about the current input. Keep spinning it and the display will scroll all kinds of useful information. It should say dts-ES matrix or discrete, 3/3.1 channels (3 front, 3 rear, plus sub), bitrate, fs (sampling frequency), etc.. It should not say PCM.
    I have tried several dts-ES sources, including DVD's and CD's, matrix and discrete, new and old. e.g.: Sheryl Crow's "Globe Sessions" CD in dts-ES discrete, T2 Ultimate edition in dts-ES matrix (one of the first dts-ES DVD's made), "Studio Voodooo" dts-ES discrete (the DVD-video compatible track on a DVD-Audio disc), etc. etc.. They all work fine. I haven't yet tried Gladiator, but I have a copy at home and will give it a try when I have a chance.
     
  4. HaryR

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    Thanks Aaron. I'll try that tonight, but at first it does seem I have overlooked quite a bit of option set up.

    Hary
     
  5. HaryR

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    Aaron,

    It worked exactly as you said.

    Many thank for your help.

    Hary
     
  6. Will A

    Will A Auditioning

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    There is a malfunction in the DSP firmware on some DVD titles. There is a FLASH upgrade available which is done through the RS232 port on the receiver.
     
  7. Ryan DC

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    Will A,

    From what I've seen over at avsforum and agoraquest is that the firmware update is for the 5ES and that the 4ES does not not need one.
     
  8. HaryR

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    how about for DD-EX, what should the screen say?

    I tried Monsters Inc yesterday and my screen kept saying "Dolby digital 3/2.1", even though I had put the SB decoding on "matrix". The surround back was checked on the screen as well, but I thought it would say something specific for DD-EX.

    Any idea?

    Hary
     
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    Will A:
    Were do you get this FLASH upgrade for the DA4es? also how do you install? thanks Shannon
     
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  15. Ryan DC

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    Will A,

    Thank you posting that info! Where did you find that? Also how do you go about getting this update?
     
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    Maybe you can download it from Sony's STR-DA4ES page on their website. [​IMG]
     
  17. Ryan DC

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    Andrew I wish it were that easy! I would much rather do it myself than leave it with a repair shop and possibly come back screwed in some way.
     
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    Ryan, my point is that judging from Sony's website, the DA4ES doesn't exist. Or for that matter, neither does the 1ES, 2ES, or 7ES...
     
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    I have the 4ES and really like it. It has plenty of features for me and plays loud and clean to my ears. I've got a 7.1 speaker set-up.

    My questions with regard to processing modes is this: The manual states that in order to hear Dolby Digital as it was intended by the Sound engineer you should turn on dynamic compression and set it to the standard setting (1.0 I think). Do any of you guys do this? The only reason I can see for a sound engineer compressing the dynamics would be to enusre the sound does not boost beyond the +10db LFE requirement. You'd think if he did the job right this wouldn't be necessary though.

    Also, the DA4ES states that the cinema ex modes uses dolby prologic so I don't think it was an oversight in the software department that Sony chose not to enable users to apply the enhancments to other 2 channel encoding formats. If you don't like the sound of the rears when using cinema ex modes with pro-logic, you might try turning off the rear processing effect. You'll still get screen depth and virtual speakers but it may eliviate any sound issues it creates with pro-logic from the rear.

    The manual also indicates that cinema ex modes are for mulit-channel formats. Where these modes really shine to me is with DTS and Dolby Digital sources. I think I like the Cinema B setting myself as it makes a pleasing difference to my ears. Although, DD and DTS sound great on their own.
     

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