Has Fox dropped the Ball?? (1 Viewer)

[Mark Collins]

Dave a question about PEYTON PLACE and other Fox Shows. Dave I spoke with Fox about Peyton Place on the phone. Here is the email you can use. I would direct it to Fox Home Entertainment. [email protected] What is going on between 20th Century Fox and Shout! Factory's release of Fox tv series??? I read this statement in another thread. Fans of Fox series might ask that question in the above email address which I have posted here for Dave .

 

[Mark Collins]

I brought this thread out again for the fan's of Fox TV Shows. The question was asked on the Peyton Place thread about past problems with Fox. I have no answer to the question perhaps it is buried deep in this thread.

 

[Ethan Riley]

I brought this thread out again for the fan's of Fox TV Shows. The question was asked on the Peyton Place thread about past problems with Fox. I have no answer to the question perhaps it is buried deep in this thread.

Gee, I dunno. But does every thread have to be hijacked into a "Peyton Place" thread? Some of us are getting tired of hearing about it.

 

[vnisanian2001]

We're just concerned about the behavior of Fox Home Entertainment. Of all the home video companies in existence, I've never seen anyone act as deranged and strange as Fox.

 

[Nebiroth]

If you think Fox is deranged, you ought to see what the UK division gets up to.

 

[vnisanian2001]

If you think Fox is deranged, you ought to see what the UK division gets up to.

What makes the UK division even worse?

 

[Mark Collins]

I was able to find the post from Mr Finn. Here is what he stated last year about Fox programs. I do not know if this helps to understand why there are rights problems with Peyton Place and the other Tv series that are leased out but here it is.
I love all the passion for the titles you want to see on DVD. Really, I do. It isn't that we have given up on any of it. Quite the opposite. Depending on a title, there could be many reasons for delays or why they aren't available --- legal rights to the series, agreements with other partners, current slate of releases are just too plentiful to add something that may not have a big demand, financial, etc - it isn't a mystery, and like any other business - everything has to be lined up. We are proud that we got the full season of ALLY MCBEAL out recently with the original music intact -- the fans responded extremely well to it and that in turn is going to help us get the ball rolling on other titles. Mary Tyler Moore will be complete by the end of the year and we hope that the cast will come together to celebrate it.
I would be lying if I told you we don't sit around talking about what we think could be cool designs for a DVD box set release of the Adam West Batman series...we are fans too. Wish i could share with you my favorite idea for one...
hang in there and thanks for your support.
James Finn

 

[BobO'Link]

So... Amazon has The Bob Newhart Show Seasons 5 & 6 up for pre order. However, there's no release date given. Does this actually mean Fox is prepping these for release or is this just a tactic on the part of Amazon to show Fox there *is* a market for the last two seasons?

 

[Mark Collins]

Bob I asked Gord and Dave if they had heard anything for you on The Bob Newhart Show. Gord stated that they have not heard any news. Strange because i also saw them up for pre order at Amazon.

 

[Mark Collins]

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[vnisanian2001]

But none of the Shout Fox shows are on there. Major thumbs down!

 

[BobO'Link]

And it still doesn't come anywhere close to making up for any of these titles *not* being available to purchase on pressed DVD!

 

[Mark Collins]

Batman Fans METV here in Chicago and perhaps other parts of the Country have just began rebroadcast of Batman a few months ago. The first two episode's of the series began to reair last week at 6:00PM CST. The episode's are not even cut and they look HD!!! I saw things I had never seen before.

 

[vnisanian2001]

Come on Nebiroth, tell me, exactly what makes the UK division of Fox more deranged?

 

[Neil Brock]

I don't think Fox ever picked the ball up! Their treatment of their pre-1980 library is nothing short of embarrassing. They released all of the Irwin Allen shows but didn't remaster the most popular of all of them, Lost In Space. That one they put out from 30 year old 1-inch tapes. Other than those shows and a season and a half of Big Valley, they've done nothing with their 50s and 60s catalogue. They licensed out a couple of series, Peyton Place and Room 222, providing old crappy 16mm transfers that were done decades ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mary Tyler Moore Show is the only 70s series they actually completed. Other shows, like Bob Newhart and White Shadow, they just abandoned. Funny how most of those shows weren't even theirs, they came from MTM or Four Star. And they do a great job of handling the MGM catalogue, if by handling we mean doing nothing with. But, hey, if you want that 19th re-issue of Buffy, they're the company for you.

 

[vnisanian2001]

Neil, I did a little research, and I can tell you that there were at least three other 70s shows that Fox completed on their own: The animated and live-action adaptations of Planet of the Apes, and of course, M*A*S*H. They would have finished The Bob Newhart Show next year, but according to someone from SitcomsOnline who spoke with one of the Fox executives, the final two seasons were put on hold due to music clearance issues.
And I don't think it's just their pre-1980s TV shows that Fox doesn't care about. I also don't think they care about their 1980s TV shows either (at least the ones that premiered before Rupert Murdoch, the hands-down slimiest businessman of all time, took over the company in October 1986).

 

[Jack P]

Neil, I did a little research, and I can tell you that there were at least three other 70s shows that Fox completed on their own: The animated and live-action adaptations of Planet of the Apes, and of course, M*A*S*H. They would have finished The Bob Newhart Show next year, but according to someone from SitcomsOnline who spoke with one of the Fox executives, the final two seasons were put on hold due to music clearance issues.

Ah yes, the singing of "Oklahoma" in the last episode no doubt. That explains the Amazon listing that never went anywhere.
"Remington Steele" is the only other MTM catalog show completed on DVD.

 

[Brett*H]

I don't think Fox ever picked the ball up! Their treatment of their pre-1980 library is nothing short of embarrassing. They released all of the Irwin Allen shows but didn't remaster the most popular of all of them, Lost In Space. That one they put out from 30 year old 1-inch tapes. Other than those shows and a season and a half of Big Valley, they've done nothing with their 50s and 60s catalogue. They licensed out a couple of series, Peyton Place and Room 222, providing old crappy 16mm transfers that were done decades ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mary Tyler Moore Show is the only 70s series they actually completed. Other shows, like Bob Newhart and White Shadow, they just abandoned. Funny how most of those shows weren't even theirs, they came from MTM or Four Star. And they do a great job of handling the MGM catalogue, if by handling we mean doing nothing with. But, hey, if you want that 19th re-issue of Buffy, they're the company for you.

Great post!
I hate 20th Century Fox with a passion.
I get angry all over again for what they did (or didn't do) to Lost In Space every time I pop in one of the DVDs to watch. (and to think I pre-ordered Season 1 for $54.99 when it was first announced.)
Room 222 could also have looked much better than it does but I really don't think Fox gives a hoot.
They're also at the bottom of my list for not issuing any more seasons of Newhart or Big Valley.

 

[Jeff Willis]

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Originally Posted by Brett*H /t/301680/has-fox-dropped-the-ball/60#post_3867864

Great post!
I hate 20th Century Fox with a passion.
I get angry all over again for what they did (or didn't do) to Lost In Space every time I pop in one of the DVDs to watch. (and to think I pre-ordered Season 1 for $54.99 when it was first announced.)
Room 222 could also have looked much better than it does but I really don't think Fox gives a hoot.
They're also at the bottom of my list for not issuing any more seasons of Newhart or Big Valley.


Agree, Neil nailed this one. I remember that too (Lost in Space). And the stallout with BV is a sore spot with more than a few fans out there.

Room 222, great show but awful, imo, prints for a show of that era to be released on DVD in that shape.

I wonder how long a Fox-property master list would be... how many shows are in the vault?

 

[vnisanian2001]

Funny how you asked that question. Over the past few days I was putting together a master list of Fox shows and TV movies. The only problem is that it only consists of shows that were initially produced by Fox (IOW, no MTM or Four Star programs), and there are no unsold pilots, either. The list goes as far back as 1949, and ends in 1986, just before Rupert Murdoch took over.
A few more things I found interesting:
1) It seems that Fox Television really favored ABC back then. A lot of these shows originated on that channel.
2) Although the company is identified by its searchlights logo, and its Alfred E. Newman jingle, they didn't start using them to represent their TV division until 1960.
Crusade in Europe (1949; 1 season; 26 episodes; ABC)
The 20th Century Fox Hour (1955-1957; 2 seasons; 37 episodes; CBS)
My Friend Flicka (1955-1956; 1 season; 39 episodes; CBS)
Broken Arrow (1956-1958; 2 seasons; 73 episodes; ABC)
Man Without a Gun (1957-1959; 2 seasons; 52 episodes; Syndicated)
How to Marry a Millionaire (1957-1959; 2 seasons; 52 episodes; Syndicated)
The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis (1959-1963; 4 seasons; 147 episodes; CBS)
Five Fingers (1959-1960; 1 season; 16 episodes; NBC)
James A. Michener’s Adventures in Paradise (1959-1962; 3 seasons; 91 episodes; ABC)
Hong Kong (1960-1961; 1 season; 27 episodes; ABC)
Follow the Sun (1961-1962; 1 season; 30 episodes; ABC)
Bus Stop (1961-1962; 1 season; 26 episodes; ABC)
Margie (1961-1962; 1 season; 26 episodes; ABC)
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (1964-1968; 4 seasons; 110 episodes; ABC)
Peyton Place (1964-1969; 5 seasons; 514 episodes; ABC)
Valentine’s Day (1964-1965; 1 season; 34 episodes; ABC)
Twelve O’Clock High (1964-1967; 3 seasons; 78 episodes; ABC)
Daniel Boone (1964-1970; 6 seasons; 165 episodes; NBC)
The Legend of Jesse James (1965-1966; 1 season; 34 episodes; ABC)
Lost in Space (1965-1968; 3 seasons; 83 episodes; CBS)
The Long, Hot Summer (1965-1966; 1 season; 26 episodes; ABC)
The Loner (1965-1966; 1 season; 26 episodes; CBS)
Blue Light (1966; 1 season; 17 episodes; ABC)
Batman (1966-1968; 3 seasons; 120 episodes; ABC)
The Monroes (1966-1967; 1 season; 26 episodes; ABC)
The Man Who Never Was (1966-1967; 1 season; 18 episodes; ABC)
The Tammy Grimes Show (1966; 1 season; 6 episodes; ABC)
The Time Tunnel (1966-1967; 1 season; 30 episodes; ABC)
The Green Hornet (1966-1967; 1 season; 26 episodes; ABC)
Felony Squad (1966-1969; 3 seasons; 73 episodes; ABC)
Custer (1967; 1 season; 16 episodes; ABC)
Judd: For the Defense (1967-1969; 2 seasons; 50 episodes; ABC)
Journey to the Center of the Earth (1967-1969; 1 season; 17 episodes; ABC)
Julia (1968-1971; 3 seasons; 86 episodes; NBC)
The Ghost & Mrs. Muir (1968-1970; 2 seasons; 50 episodes; NBC: 1968-1969 & ABC 1969-1970)
Land of the Giants (1968-1970; 2 seasons; 51 episodes; ABC)
Lancer (1968-1970; 2 seasons; 51 episodes; CBS)
Fantastic Voyage (1968-1969; 1 season; 17 episodes; ABC)
Room 222 (1969-1974; 5 seasons; 113 episodes; ABC)
Bracken’s World (1969-1970; 2 seasons; 41 episodes; NBC)
The Desperate Mission (1969 TV Movie; NBC)
Daughter of the Mind (1969 TV Movie; ABC)
Honeymoon with a Stranger (1969 TV Movie; ABC)
David Copperfield (1969 TV Movie; NBC)
Nanny and the Professor (1970-1971; 3 seasons; 54 episodes; ABC)
Along Came a Spider (1970 TV Movie; ABC)
The Challenge (1970 TV Movie; ABC)
The Best of Everything (1970; 1 season; 130 episodes; ABC)
Here Come the Double Deckers! (1970-1971; 1 season; 17 episodes; ABC)
Arnie (1970-1972; 2 seasons; 48 episodes; CBS)
Doctor Doolittle (1970-1971; 1 season 11 episodes; NBC)
Tribes (1970 TV Movie; ABC)
Circus (1971-1973; 2 seasons; 52 episodes; Syndicated)
Cade’s Country (1971-1972; 1 season; 24 episodes; CBS)
Paper Man (1971 TV Movie; CBS)
They Call it Murder (1971 TV Movie; ABC)
Dead Men Tell no Tales (1971 TV Movie; CBS)
When Michael Calls (1972 TV Movie; ABC)
Fireball Forward (1972 TV Movie; ABC)
Return to Peyton Place (1972-1974; 2 seasons; 187 episodes; NBC)
M*A*S*H (1972-1983; 11 seasons; 256 episodes; CBS)
Anna and the King (1972; 1 season; 13 episodes; CBS)
Nanny and the Professor (ABC Saturday Superstar Movie Special; 1972)
Pursuit (1972 TV Movie; ABC)
Incident on a Dark Street (1973 TV Movie; NBC)
Lost in Space (ABC Saturday Morning Special; 1973)
Terror on the Beach (1973 TV Movie; CBS)
Ordeal (1973 TV Movie; ABC)
The New Adventures of Perry Mason (1973-1974; 1 season; 15 episodes; CBS)
Roll Out (1973-1974; 1 season; 12 episodes; CBS)
Great Mysteries (1973; 1 season; 26 episodes)
The Starlost (1973-1974; 1 season; 16 episodes)
Nanny and the Professor and the Phantom of the Circus (ABC Saturday Morning Special; 1973)
Blood Sport (1973 TV Movie; ABC)
Miracle on 34th Street (1973 TV Movie; CBS)
The Borrowers (1973 TV Movie; NBC)
Mrs. Sundance (1974 TV Movie; ABC)
Remember When (1974 TV Movie; NBC)
Big Rose, Double Trouble (1974 TV Movie; CBS)
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (1974 TV Movie; NBC)
The Mark of Zero (1974 TV Movie; ABC)
The Red Badge of Courage (1974 TV Movie; NBC)
Run, Joe, Run (1974-1976; 1 season; 26 episodes; NBC)
Planet of the Apes (1974; 1 season; 14 episodes; CBS)
Fred Astire Salutes the Fox Musicals (TV Special)
Dinah! (1974-1980; 6 seasons; Syndicated)
Stowaway to the Moon (1975 TV Movie; CBS)
Karen (1975; 1 season; 13 episodes; CBS)
The Trial of Chaplain Jansen (1975 TV Movie; ABC)
Adventures of the Queen (1975 TV Movie; ABC)
At Long Last Cole (1975 TV Movie; ABC)
A Girl Named Sooner (1975 TV Movie; NBC)
Oil Strike North (1975; 1 season; 13 episodes)
The Swiss Family Robinson (1975-1976; 1 season; 14 episodes; ABC)
Return to the Planet of the Apes (1975-1976; 1 season; 13 episodes; NBC)
Our Man Flint: Dead on Target (1976 TV Movie; ABC)
Time Travelers (1976 TV Movie; ABC)
Wanted: The Sundance Woman (1976 TV Movie; ABC)
Sherlock Homes in New York (1976 TV Movie; NBC)
Life Goes to the Movies (1976 TV Movie; NBC)
Raid on Entebbe (1976 TV Movie; NBC)
A Circle of Children (1977 TV Movie; CBS)
Spectre (1977 TV Movie; NBC)
Good Against Evil (1977 TV Movie; ABC)
The Making of Star Wars (1977 TV Movie; ABC)
That’s Hollywood (1977-1978; 2 seasons; 48 episodes; Syndicated)
Young Daniel Boone (1977; 1 season; 8 episodes; CBS)
James at 15 (1977-1979; 1 season; 20 episodes; NBC)
Life Goes to War (1977 TV Movie; NBC)
Murder in Peyton Place (1977 TV Movie; NBC)
Christmas Miracle in Caulfield, U.S.A. (1977 TV Movie; NBC)
Ring of Passion (1978 TV Movie; NBC)
Husbands, Wives, and Lovers (1978; 1 season; 10 episodes; CBS)
The Paper Chase (1978-1979 & 1983-1986; 4 seasons; 59 episodes; CBS: 1978-1979 & Showtime: 1983-1986)
W.E.B. (1978; 1 season; 5 episodes; NBC)
A Guide for the Married Woman (1978 TV Movie; NBC)
The Nativity (1978 TV Movie; ABC)
Dance Fever (1979-1987; 9 seasons; 234 episodes; Syndicated)
Billy (1979; 1 season; 7 episodes; CBS)
Like Normal People (1979 TV Movie; ABC)
Trapper John, M.D. (1979-1986; 7 seasons; 151 episodes; CBS)
Sister Sister (1979 TV Movie; NBC)
The Starlost (1980 Miniseries)
Swan Song (1980 TV Movie; ABC)
The Day Christ Died (1980 TV Movie; CBS)
Tourist (1980 TV Movie)
Hagen (1980; 1 season; 9 episodes)
The Monte Carlo Show (1980-1981; 1 season)
Breaking Away (1980-1981; 1 season; 8 episodes; ABC)
SP FX: The Empire Strikes Back (1980 TV Movie; CBS)
The Diary of Anne Frank (1980 TV Movie; NBC)
World of Honor (1981 TV Movie)
Jaqueline Susan’s Valley of the Dolls (1981 TV Movie; CBS)
All American Ultra Quiz (1981; 1 season; 2 episodes; NBC)
Jessica Novak (1981; 1 season; 4 episodes; CBS)
The Fall Guy (1981-1986; 5 seasons; 113 episodes; ABC)
Aliens from Another Planet (1982 TV Movie)
The Day the Bubble Burst (1982 TV Movie; ABC)
Tomorrow’s Child (1982 TV Movie); ABC)
9 to 5 (1982-1983 & 1986-1988; 5 seasons; 85 episodes; ABC: 1982-1983 & Syndicated: 1986-1988)
The Rules of Marriage (1982 TV Movie; CBS)
Kentucky Woman (1983 TV Movie; CBS)
Love is Forever (1983 TV Movie; NBC)
Blood Feud (1983 TV Movie)
For Love and Honor (1983 TV Movie; NBC)
AfterMASH (1983-1984; 2 seasons; 29 episodes; CBS)
Trauma Center (1983; 1 season; 13 episodes; ABC)
It’s Not Easy (1983; 1 season; 10 episodes; ABC)
Emerald Point N.A.S. (1983-1984; 1 season; 22 episodes; CBS)
Manimal (1983; 1 season; 8 episodes; NBC)
Masquerade (1983-1984; 1 season; 13 episodes; ABC)
Automan (1983-1984; 1 season; 13 episodes; ABC)
From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga (1983 TV Movie; PBS)
Helen Keller (1983 TV Movie)
Love Thy Neighbor (1984 TV Movie; ABC)
Sentimental Journey (1984 TV Movie; CBS)
Cover Up (1984-1985; 1 season; 22 episodes; CBS)
The Sun Also Rises (1984 TV Movie; NBC)
Mr. Belvedere (1985-1990; 6 seasons; 117 episodes; ABC)
Half Nelson (1985; 1 season; 8 episodes; NBC)
Peyton Place: The Next Generation (1985 TV Movie; NBC)
Charlie & Company (1985-1986; 1 season; 18 episodes; CBS)
Tender is the Night (1985 Miniseries)
Coveant (1985 miniseries)
A Letter to Three Wives (1985 TV Movie)
Spearfield's Daughter (1986) (mini)
Dream Girl, U.S.A. (1986–1987)
The Wizard (1986–1987; 1 season; 19 episodes; CBS)
L.A. Law (1986-1994; 8 seasons; 172 episodes; NBC)