1. Guest,
    If you need help getting to know Xenforo, please see our guide here. If you have feedback or questions, please post those here.
    Dismiss Notice

Fox's Steve Feldstein Puts The Format war To Rest

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by AaronSCH, Nov 2, 2006.

  1. AaronSCH

    AaronSCH Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2006
    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    0
    In one of the most pompous statements I have read yet from the Blu-ray camp, Fox's senior VP of marketing communications, Steve Feldstein declared that the Blu-ray release of X-men: The Last Stand is the biggest new release yet for Blu-ray... PlayStation is by far the dominant game platform, and this should put questions about format wars to rest." He is right on one point...this Christmas may indeed be the last stand for Blu-ray. Is it just me or do you sense a little sign of desperation in these comments? They know HD DVD is trouncing them right now. They continue to put all their Blu-ray eggs in the PS3 basket.

    The idea that by far, the worst film in the X-men franchise is gonna bring down HD DVD is so laughable that I couldn't contain myself. This attitude is not something you hear from the HD DVD camp. Fox's venom continues to fuel my desire to boycott all of their software. Don't forget, this is the same bunch that tried to force DIVX down our throats a few years ago. Full story is here: Silly Fox
     
  2. Cory S.

    Cory S. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    985
    Likes Received:
    4
    As much as I am pulling for Blu-Ray more than HD-DVD, his statement is crazy. The Last Stand in combination with the PS3 to bring an end to the format war? Crazy talk.

    Now, if he had said the Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, then maybe.....[​IMG]
     
  3. TravisR

    TravisR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    24,952
    Likes Received:
    2,771
    Location:
    The basement of the FBI building
    Not that HD-DVD is some unstoppable force but no one movie is going to win the format war. Especially one like X-Men 3.

    There's a few titles (like Star Wars as Corey mentioned) that would be a huge boost for whatever format had it but even that's a non-issue because no MAJOR title is likely to be released on either high def format until there's a more clear winner.
     
  4. Sam Davatchi

    Sam Davatchi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 1999
    Messages:
    3,151
    Likes Received:
    0
    Pirates and Cars would have been something else!
     
  5. Ben_Williams

    Ben_Williams Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well, I doubt it will end the format war, but X3 was a huge box-office hit that many viewers are going to be thrilled to see in HD.

    According to boxofficemojo.com, X3 is the third highest grossing film of the year:

    1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $421,392,843 4,133 $135,634,554 4,133 7/7 -
    2 Cars BV $244,082,982 3,988 $60,119,509 3,985 6/9 10/19
    3 X-Men: The Last Stand Fox $234,362,462 3,714 $102,750,665 3,690 5/26 9/28

    So, many, many people went to see it and, obviously, liked it. It had great word of mouth as well. So, while I agree that it is the weakest of the three X-Men films, it is still a huge release. It has also been in the top 10 in DVD rentals and sales since its release on DVD in October:

    1 1 The Break-Up Universal $8.28 -18.8% $18.47 2 $118.70 15.6%
    2 N Nacho Libre Paramount $7.13 - $7.13 1 $80.20 8.9%
    3 2 Click Sony Pictures $6.93 -17.2% $25.11 3 $137.34 18.3%
    4 N Monster House Sony Pictures $6.59 - $6.59 1 $73.66 9.0%
    5 3 The Omen (2006) Fox $6.15 -16.7% $13.53 2 $54.61 24.8%
    6 5 Over the Hedge DreamWorks $5.97 -13.0% $12.84 2 $155.02 8.3%
    7 N An American Haunting Lionsgate $5.70 - $5.70 1 $16.30 35.0%
    8 4 X-Men: The Last Stand Fox $5.20 -24.4% $31.21 4 $234.36 13.3%
    9 6 Garfield: A Tail of Two Kitties Fox $3.31 -22.6% $12.50 3 $28.43 44.0%
    10 8 The Lake House Warner $3.28 -19.9% $26.15 5 $52.33 50.0%
     
  6. ppltd

    ppltd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    3,044
    Likes Received:
    0

    The last two years, IMHO, there have been very few movies released in the theaters that garnered much excitement, and I am an avid theater viewer who loves the experience of seeing a movie like LOTR on a mega screen. I can not recall the last film that made me want to visit a theater. It certainly has not been this year.

    Fact is, there just aren't many current 'Blockbusters' the studio can go after.
     
  7. AaronSCH

    AaronSCH Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2006
    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes, and it will have been available on SD DVD for just a short time. I just don't see households springing for a $600 VIDEO GAME PLAYER and $60 GAMES repurchasing a title they already have in the entertainment center. Mom and Dad don't think like Home Theater enthusiasts and neither does junior. None of the Blu-ray titles have appeared in the top 100 titles on Amazon. I predict the same fate for X-men. Plus the movie just sucked.
     
  8. Cory S.

    Cory S. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    985
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ben,

    The Last Stand didn't get great word of mouth when it opened. It dropped nearly 67% from it's first weekend to its second.
     
  9. ppltd

    ppltd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    3,044
    Likes Received:
    0

    Not at 40.00. Fox has got their head up their you know what with their pricing structure. This goes that same for any other studio who is running with this pricing strucure. At least a 40.00 release from Universal get's you a Combo disk.
     
  10. Ben_Williams

    Ben_Williams Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    0

    MSRP is $40 but Amazon, for example, is already discounting Fox releases down to roughly $23. So, the $40 price will probably never be seen by consumers.
     
  11. Ben_Williams

    Ben_Williams Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    0

    If you hate everything under the sun about Blu-Ray, then don't buy it. Plenty of others will, however.
     
  12. Jerome Grate

    Jerome Grate Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 1999
    Messages:
    2,937
    Likes Received:
    1
    Unfortunately that's the kind of oral defication you get when you are set in your own glory. Good thing we're around to clean through the mess and see the truth.
     
  13. ppltd

    ppltd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    3,044
    Likes Received:
    0

    I agree that we can normally get a discounted price, but it still doesn't change the fact that these studios have gone a little overboard on pricing. You are not going to make HD a standard if the price for the releases cost more than the SD issues. Fox is out of line.

    BTW, this being said, I will probably buy the release. Even though I did not think X3 was all that good,and I already own the SD, it might turn into my showpiece BD video for me. I already have a few in HD-DVD's that I use to demonstrate my Toshiba to friends, but I am a little short on the BD side.
     
  14. Ben_Williams

    Ben_Williams Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    0

    Agreed about the pricing structure. I'm also not too excited about X3, but, like you, I'm hoping for some eye candy. Actually, I believe it was shot in Super35, so that means it's going to be VERY grainy.
     
  15. ppltd

    ppltd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    3,044
    Likes Received:
    0

    I just ordered the new Panasonic PT-AE 1000U 1080p front projector to replace my Panny 900U. Should be shipping around Thanksgiving. If Fox does their normal fine release quality on this disk, it may be the first I watch on the new projector. It will be a toss up between this and King Kong.
     
  16. AaronSCH

    AaronSCH Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2006
    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    0

    I'm sure they will...just like they bought into Beta, Minidisc, SACD, PSP/UMD and the wonderful world of DIVX. They are all useful as doorstops.
     
  17. Ben_Williams

    Ben_Williams Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    0

    I've heard great things about this projector! It should be an excellent combo! What screen are you using?
     
  18. Garrett Lundy

    Garrett Lundy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2002
    Messages:
    3,764
    Likes Received:
    0
    Now thats just an insult to doorstops.
     
  19. Larry Sutliff

    Larry Sutliff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2000
    Messages:
    2,861
    Likes Received:
    10
    I own both formats, am enjoying both, but I see no real reason to support BD over HD DVD at this time. Support both, yes. But certainly BD hasn't shown itself to be any better than HD DVD yet. I'm actually a little worried about Fox's use of MPEG4, as I have found most of the Disney titles to be a little inconsistent in quality. I would much prefer that all studios move to VC-1 as soon as possible.

    PS I will order X3 sight unseen, as I've been hoping for a high def presentation. I just hope it takes full advantage of Blu-Ray's potential.
     
  20. ppltd

    ppltd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    3,044
    Likes Received:
    0

    106' 16x9 High Contrast

    Can't recall the brand (Purchased from ProjectionWholesale.com), but it was priced many times lower than it's competitors, and at a price I figured if it didn't work out, I could always toss it.

    1 x P169-5292 - Picture Frame 16:9 Screen - 52" x 92" 106" Diagonal @ $395.00

    It was a pleasant surprise. No hot spots, good Alum. frame covered in black felt, and an high contrast gray screen surface. I couldn't touch a name brand at the price.
     

Share This Page