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Feedback on system and what/whether to upgrade (~$3000 budget) *long

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by AnthonyMP, Dec 4, 2002.

  1. AnthonyMP

    AnthonyMP Active Member

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    Shortened version.. full details below.

    I am trying to decide what I should upgrade from my current setup and would appreciate some feedback from those that have a better idea of what benefits I would see by upgrading.

    My current system is as follows:

    Mains: B&W DM602
    Center: Snell CC1
    Rears: MB Quartz Balcony
    Subs: 2 Velodyne VA1012XII

    The majority of my listening is with movies/tv though I have music on a lot, just not as focused on it as movies.

    I am really only interested in upgrading if it would offer a decent improvemnt in quality. My budget would be $3000 max.

    Any thoughts on what I could improve or if it would be worth it to upgrade?


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    I am in the evaluation and reserach stage of deciding on a possible speaker upgrade and would appreciate some feedback on what I have currently and what may be worth keeping and some suggestions in what direction I should look to upgrade.

    I am not the most demanding listener as I probably wouldn't readily be aware of some subtle differences yet strive to have a quality system. What differences I would be willing to spend for I am not aware of yet as I have never been made aware of such subtle differences or learned to appreciate them.

    As of now I am looking to upgrade to the point that I would hear and appreciate some distinct improvements and if anyone is willing to explain why I might be interested in spending for such an upgrade or in what areas it might not be worth it for me, I would greatly appreciate that.

    My current system is as follows:

    Mains: B&W DM602
    Center: Snell CC1
    Rears: MB Quartz Balcony
    Subs: 2 Velodyne VA1012XII

    I will most defintely be replacing the rears as well as the receiver I am using currently. This will be matched with a new HDTV in the 50-65" range.

    The use is majority movies/tv but I play music a lot though just not as demanding (ie. mostly in the background while at home). Obviously I would like it to be equally adept at both but don't we all.

    I am willing to upgrade but only if there would be a decent sonic improvement. Any suggestions on what I might upgrade to and the type of improvements I could expect as well as how dramatic they would be would be great. I would put my maximum budget at $3000 though obviously any amount I can save without sacrificing qualities that might not be important to me or appreciate in the future (ie. subtle ones) are those I would consider. This would be a major purchase for me so I am not looking to spend that amount but rather the amount that offers the best price/performance before starting to get into minor differences that I might not need/want.

    As for 5.1-7.1, that I would have to rely on you cause I don't have any experience with anything more than 5.1 except in the theater and am not sure if that is what the future holds (~10-20 years) and if it makes much of a difference at home.

    One last thing, I am planning on moving within the next 6 months or so therefore don't know what room dimensions this will be used in. More than likely something in the 12-14x17-20x8 range.

    Thank you very much for reading and any feedback/suggestions.

    Edit: If I do upgrade would they be worth anything in a trade in or to sell so I could put that money towards the upgrade?
     
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    Posted a sound bite version, though I can't change the title, in case the reason nobody has responded was due to length.

    Any feedback is appreciated.
     
  3. RichardH

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    I would get the matching B&W center, preferably the LCR6 if possible. Dump the Snell center (or use for 6.1). Dump the pair of Velo's and go for an SVS PC-plus.

    This will give you better timbre matching across the front as well as some bass w/ more authority. I think you'd find it was worth the expenditure.
     
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    Well I say save your money. If you aren't just horribly depressed by what you got, then hold on to that money until you hear something that you know is better then make a move. Use your own ears to decide.

    Are there any particular areas that you are unsatisfied with on your current set-up?

    The suggestion above of trying to match the timbral qualities of the front three speakers is good, but Snell is a good speaker brand and if you are happy with the vocals you are getting currently, then why worry.
     
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    Ok if you have a hole burning in your pocket, and not a lot of local dealers around for you to be able to form your own opinion then there are some good web resources. You can do searches for particluar brands on the forums and then also good sources for reviews. Basically saying I wouldn't just rely on opinions out of one place.
    www.audioasylum.com - Speaker Asylum and Reviews-Speakers
    www.audiogon.com - Great for buying used and also good forums
    www.soundstage.com + their archived reviews at www.AudioVideoReviews.com
    www.enjoythemusic.com
    www.6moons.com
    www.positive-feedback.com
    www.stereotimes.com
    There are others of course but I think the first two have two of the best discussion forums and the later have some of the best reviews.
    So before I go rattle off some suggestions, you need to provide some more info. What qualities do you seek in a speaker? What are you partnering them with? Are you looking for a whole speaker makeover? Etc.?
    I actually bought a pair of speakers unheard this past spring, because the nearest dealer was 1000 or so miles away for this particular brand. Prior to this however I did a whole lot of listening to everything that was carried locally (None had the exact qualities I was looking for though) to make sure I knew what type of sound I was looking for and then I also researched and mulled on it for about a year.
     
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    I have gone through the product lines of the above and without further info I think I may just get a pair of the B&W DM602's for a rear upgrade. I am a little reluctant to do so as I would prefer not to buy anything until I am sure that I am going to stay with the B&W's as my mains but at this time I don't have any access to make a comparision between what I have and what the other options in my price range are.

    I have no idea what to do with the center as I relied solely on the salesperson assuring me that the Snell was a better speaker and match for the B&W mains than the B&W CC6. Unless someone knows better I guess I will stay with that assumption. I could get the B&W LCR6 that RichardH mentioned but only if the Snell is lacking in comparison and other than an A/B comparison I don't know how to gather that info.

    The above pretty much applies to the SVS sub. I like the PC Plus 20-39 and that would probably be my choice if I did go with something different but whether one of those is worth me having to ditch the 2 Velodyne's I have now I have no clue.

    I think I am at a stand still unless someone can offer some feedback on my current setup with what my upgrade path would be for the budget. Guess I will start looking into receivers and seperates in my price range as I know that is being replaced.

    Thank you kindly for your time if anyone has made it this far.
     
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    Can anyone give me a comparison between the Snell CC1 and whatever would be the best center channel from B&W that would go with my 602's?
    I have done a search and see the comments reagrding the weakness that was the B&W CC6 so understand why the salesperson pushed me towards the Snell. My question now is whether keeping the Snell is a viable option compared to what I would get buying a new B&W center.
    Edit: Done some more research into the M&K line. Anyone know how the following would compare to the B&W DM602's?
    LCR 650/750/850
    S-85
    and
    750 MKII THX and the 5.1 systems listed at http://www.mksound.com/5-1_sys.html (to 602 mains/rear, equivalent center, SVS 20-39 PC-Plus)
    or Atlantic Technology System 270 THX?
     

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