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DVD Players will not be able to play future Universal Audio CDs!

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Ted Todorov, Dec 19, 2001.

  1. Ted Todorov

    Ted Todorov Well-Known Member

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    http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/ne...t/cd121701.htm
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...47&mode=thread
    http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,49188,00.html
    According to the above news stories:
     
  2. Ted Todorov

    Ted Todorov Well-Known Member

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    Darn, I just saw the equivalent thread in the music area:
    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...threadid=33065
    Moderators, please forgive me, but I never read the music area. Maybe you should leave this here for people like me who depend on their DVD Players for music listening, but do not read the music area of HTF.
    Ted
     
  3. Scott Strang

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    I have a vision. A vision of a future of software that is so trashed with encryption and copy protection as to render it unplayable or un-viewable/listenable.

    So screw Universal up the ass for this. We buy their products with our hard earned money and they do this to us? Someone somewhere will figure out a way around this.

    Keep it up Universal; we'll quit buying your stuff.
     
  4. Michael St. Clair

    Michael St. Clair Well-Known Member

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    Like Macrovision, these policies do not stop or even reduce piracy. All it does is keep the consumer from fairly using what they paid for.
    ALL of the albums released this way will be available on file-sharing services. There are work-arounds.
    Watch, when album sales go down they'll blame it on piracy (admitting that there are cracks and work-arounds), not on the fact that more and more people will not buy an album that they can't play on their portable MP3 players or on their PC or Home Theater.
    Then, despite the fact that industry sales have grown immensely in the last few years, they will use the politicians that they buy off with hard and soft money to legislate additional copy protection by forcing the studios to include government-mandated encryption/rejection features. Jack Valenti is already planning it.
    Fuck these ignorant asshole studio/label execs.
     
  5. John P Grosskopf

    John P Grosskopf Well-Known Member

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    Did someone say MACROVISION?
     
  6. Damin J Toell

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  7. Carlo Medina

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    If there's anything that history has taught us (in the brief history of technology, that is), it's that the more you encrypt something, the harder the hackers work to counteract it.

    If you make a good, affordable product, the incidence of people buying pirated stuff will be lessened. Sure there will always be abuse, but those people are the ones who will buy cracked stuff no matter what you do.

    Take, say, Nero for example. Can be had for about $50. Most people I know have bought it. The stuff going around that is pirated is like MS Office or Photoshop, stuff that's in the multi-hundreds.

    Take DVDs. I know there are some people out there who buy pirate DVDs, but none of my friends or family do. Why? Because they're $20 a pop, and that's not too much to ask. Yet I knew some people who bought an SVHS a few years back so they could tape off of LDs. Why? Because LDs were $50-$150. And market penetration for DVDs is way more than LDs ever were, yet I knew more people pirating LDs than DVDs...

    Just my thought.
     
  8. Jeff Ulmer

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    As a content provider who has been directly hit with commercial piracy of my product, and seen the effects of online distribution directly affecting my sales, I would be open to suggestions as to how to curb the unlawful use of my material while avoiding using restrictive copy protection methods.

    The Napster situation has provided ample proof that content is being used well beyond the limits of fair use, so the question becomes how can those who invest millions in creating content provide reasonable protection from having their material stolen by unscrupulous users? Clearly the current open Red Book format isn't working, despite claims that the industry is growing. Piracy is rampant. I can tell you from first hand experience that as soon as my album hit Napster, sales decreased dramatically, and did not resume normal levels until Napster was gone. How should content providers deal with this, when our livelihoods are very much affected by it?
     
  9. Michael St. Clair

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    Has anyone at Non-Universal given the smallest amount of thought to how many of these disc will be returned because they will not play on the paying customers equipment?

    I thought not!
     
  11. Michael St. Clair

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  12. Damin J Toell

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  13. Greg_C_T

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    This is unacceptable. I have a nice 5-disc changer that I play my DVDs and CDs on. One less component to wire up and worry about, and now new CDs won't play on it?
    If companies are so worried about losing profits from people burning CDs, why not just jack the price up on blank CDs to something like $5 per disc and take their royalties from there? Don't invent some nonsense that makes our equipment obsolete! [​IMG]
     
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    You people have make a good point. Price something good, and it will sell. I hope someday the studios heard, and release their zone 4 DVD's at US Prices (Hear Warner, No more censored / no-documentary releases for 35 US$).

    If they continue this way, we will see soon pirate DVD's (Don´t worry about me warner, i'm happy with my zone 1/2 uncut releases)
     
  16. TyC

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    This is stupid. The people who want to pirate the music will find a way around it, and it only serves to hurt the average consumer.
     
  17. Jeff Ulmer

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    I agree that applying excessive copy protection to CDs is not a good option, and as a producer, the last thing I want is to inconvenience legitimate users of my product, but there has to be some way of protecting the very substantial investment I have made, both in time and money, by curbing unauthorised use of that product, which, interestingly is an entertainment product, not something like food or clean air necessary for survival.

    What has to stop is the unauthorised, free distribution of content. Whether that means charging file sharing services for distribution royalties (just like radio stations pay to provide content, which is financed by ad revenue) and heavily prosecuting those who violate the usage rights, or providing pay per use, or some other subscription service, there has to be a way of allowing content providers to earn their rightful income from the use of their product, just as you are compensated for the work you provide your employer. It is the online repercusions that are the worst, not the casual CD burning, though that too is an issue.

    Copy protection should be a last resort.
     
  18. Jon Cauley

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    "I don't disagree that there is a problem (despite the fact that the industry is indeed growing). However, these protections do NOT stop piracy. These albums will and do appear on file sharing services. A simple analog loop on mid-fi equipment will make a copy indistinguishable from the original at 128k mp3, and there are other ways to defeat this stuff with even higher quality."

    Exactly! The main problem here is that these studios are lashing out at the consumers for their own mistakes. Their problem is that they did not take the mp3 format seriously early on and develop a standard and now this file trading is out of their hands. Even though the "secure audio" formats are not secure (locks keep honest people out), if portable players long ago required this secure format to work and didn't accept mp3s, they wouldn't have as large of a problem. The only solution I can think of, is for the studios to push the DVD-Audio and other higher quality audio formats and plan for the inevidable affordable DVD-R. Sure customers don't mind lesser quality at a much lesser price...but hype it up and keep a decent price on the new format and they could gradually work away from all this nonsense of copyprotection madness. I'll say it again, locks keep honest people out, and that's exactly what they'll be doing. Anyone agree?

    - Jon
     
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  20. Rob Robinson

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    jeff-

    it's called "tough shit"- the ISO approved audio CD format doesn't have any sort of digital distribution control mechanism built in-

    therefore anyone pulling some microsoft like moves and "extending" the format is not making an audio cd- they're making something else, and it sucks.

    It's too bad for the industry that they released a format and the world changed around it. To "tweak" it and make it incompatible with machines that have both the technical and legal right to play is NOT COOL.

    the only thing the studios can do is to get behind a "new" format that supports what they want- of course, we're not going to buy it untill they give us a more compelling reason than "it's harder for you to do anything other than play this back by our embedded rules".

    I read a great article about how pissed the industry was about the drawbacks of the CD. I still say tough shit, you'll have to deal with those issues next time- in the mean time, there should be laws about such disregard for consumers. CD's should play in all CD players- that's what we have standards for. Or else, unviersal should lose the right to call, label, or classify their discs as cd's. They are more like " processed CD flavored products." So now do laptops have to change their ad copy to indicate that they can't play ALL Cds.?

    And for what it's worth- their bitching is fucking hillarious. Profits are up. Sells are up. better crackdown on the consumer.
     

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