1. Guest,
    If you need help getting to know Xenforo, please see our guide here. If you have feedback or questions, please post those here.
    Dismiss Notice

Direct from Hollywood: Widescreen DVD releases under the gun! Here's the Answer!

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Ronald Epstein, Oct 8, 2001.

  1. Ronald Epstein

    Ronald Epstein Administrator
    Owner

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 1997
    Messages:
    44,713
    Likes Received:
    3,679
    Real Name:
    Ronald Epstein
    I met with at least 4 people that represent
    separate major studios while out in Los
    Angeles for our http://www.hometheaterforum.com/cal2001/report.html
    Ronald Epstein (pronounced like the English "Ronald Epstein")
    Circa 2000
    Home Theater Forum Administrator
    All forum questions & to get on our private forum mailing list (new members)... Email: hometheaterforum@home.com
    Problems with the webpage or site? Contact WEBMASTER
    Email Packy packy@hometheaterforum.com
     
  2. Dave Scarpa

    Dave Scarpa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 1999
    Messages:
    5,337
    Likes Received:
    43
    Bottom Line Everyone, vote with your Dollar. There are alot of HT Enthusiasts out there, Don't Buy Nor Rent P&S Product. If we stopped Divx we can stop or at least curb P&S. I own a WS set there is no alternative for me.
     
  3. Jeff Kleist

    Jeff Kleist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 1999
    Messages:
    11,286
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well Ron,
    I suggested a few months back that we coordinate with our local malls, WalMarts, what have you, and have some HTF OAR-Education Days. Possibly studios like Fox or Paramount would supply us with some material from popular films that people know by heart (like Star Wars) that are butchered in the P&S process.
    We set up some TVs, DVD players and/or high-end tape decks, and show straight up, no lies the benefits of widescreen. Perhaps we could even strike a deal with one of the mall retailers that sell widescreen TVs to lend us one for exhibition.
    If the studios would permit it, I would be happy to make the demo reel myself, and coordinate any Philly-area activities
    Jeff Kleist
     
  4. Lawrence Davis

    Lawrence Davis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 1999
    Messages:
    51
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ugggh. My interest in DVD will be brought to an end if I can only purchase Pan and Scan titles. I never have and never will, buy ANY Pan and Scan product. I can't believe the studios are even thinking about this in the 21st century. These P&S DVD's will be despised by people with HDTV's or widescreen displays. Isn't this as big of a menace to HDTV, as it is to OAR advocates? On that level, a move to Pan and Scan is nuts.
    I agree that the public must be educated about OAR and what happens with films that have nearly half the image chopped off. They need to do something to educate the masses. Why can't they come up with a quick Pan and Scan Vs. OAR demonstration? It could last a few seconds but get the point across.
    If studios go Pan and Scan only, I will not be buying their product.
     
  5. GerardoHP

    GerardoHP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2001
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Los Angeles, California
    Real Name:
    Gerardo Paron
    Isn't a letter-writing campaign in order here? E-mails (from every one of your screen names), letters and phone calls to every studio and every retailer. War can be a dirty business and nobody said we couldn't do it.
    ------------------
    Gerardo
     
  6. Michael St. Clair

    Michael St. Clair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    6,009
    Likes Received:
    0
    To all who mocked and derided those of us who warned that mainstream acceptance of the DVD format would be a bad thing (and you know who you are).
    Told you so.
     
  7. Robert Ringwald

    Robert Ringwald Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2001
    Messages:
    2,641
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have been scared of this since I first started getting into DVD's.
    I think that everyone on here should start printing out side by side comparisons, and then putting them up any place they can..
    I can just see walking into walmart and finding like 30 of these papers taped to the display cases.
    The short 20 second spots will definately help, but I for one know that the day Widescreen is not the norm on DVD is the day I stop buying them.
    F**king J6P.
     
  8. Peter D

    Peter D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2000
    Messages:
    234
    Likes Received:
    0
    Personally I'd love to see places like Best Buy just run the same DVD's side-by-side on widescreen sets. One in anamorphic widescreen - the other in P&S with the grey bars on the sides. Maybe then folks would understand what they're missing.
    As for the promo idea, I don't see why studios couldn't toss something like the 'Die-Hard' widescreen vs p&s demo into a disc's special features menu. Just build a generic one with your studio's product featured in it, and you've got it to use again and again.
     
  9. Brent Cantrell

    Brent Cantrell Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2001
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Instead of putting a demo in front of all the movies, (we know how everyone feels about 'advertisement' in this manner), why not have a cool demo disc packaged with EVERY DVD player sold? 'This is what your cool new system can do J6P. This 'new' format gives you the ability to view movies like 'this'(WS), instead of the old, incorrect standard 'this'(P&S). Thus giving J6P, enough information to feel superior to his peers, by being able to use the 'new & improved' format.
    It's all in how you manipulate them to feel.
    ------------------
    http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollect...lias=BCantrell
     
  10. David Illingworth II

    David Illingworth II Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2001
    Messages:
    448
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with the idea of the educational promo. There was one of those I think on my Abyss special edition VHS, which showed the results not only on Abyss, but on True Lies. So, clearly FOX has one in the can somewhere. In fact, this promo was what first educated me.
    However, I have to say I think MGM has been making good sense by releasing two different versions simultaneously, with the format clearly labelled on the front. But, hey, I just have a soft spot for MGM.
     
  11. Dana Rodakis

    Dana Rodakis Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2000
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is the reason I had secretly hoped DVD would not become a mass-market item. I kind of liked the niche market that the laserdisc served. No J6Ps to worry about.
     
  12. David Illingworth II

    David Illingworth II Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2001
    Messages:
    448
    Likes Received:
    0
    Another thing, what's with all the venom toward JSP? People on here refer to a JSP as some kind of sub-human missing link or something. Have we forgotten that we were all JSP at some time or another? If every movie you ever watch at home is fullscreen then that's what you become used to. Unless you're a follower or student of film and you visit sites like this or subscribe to magazines that deal with the subject, you're not likely to get it.
    Most people are just unaware of what widescreen really means, but they're not stupid fools who are trying to wreck DVDs for us. So, please, we don't need to "manipulate" them to feel a certain way. Let's not be elitist. Even if we are [​IMG]
     
  13. Gerry A

    Gerry A Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2000
    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with Ron that the studios have to include a short, concise and easy to understand tutorial on the concept of OAR, widescreen and pan and scan right in front, right after that FBI message. I understand that many of us here would not like to have something like this, but guys, I'm sure we're all experts at this that it's so easy for us to skip it and get to the movie if we want. Let's agree to sacrifice just a little bit, even if it's just a few seconds of your time to click on that "next" button, so that much of the uneducated BE educated. We were all fullscreeners at one time or another before we knew better. Let's give other people that chance. It's the future of our DVDs that are at stake. I'm sure we could give up a few seconds of our convenience for it.
    [Edited last by Gerry A on October 08, 2001 at 06:00 PM]
     
  14. Carlo Medina

    Carlo Medina Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 1997
    Messages:
    10,341
    Likes Received:
    562
    I started a thread about this in Feedback to Studios/Manufacturers a few months ago. I wanted something like a "Why Widescreen" that Fox used in Die Hard for every DVD. It didn't even need to be tailored to the movie, just a generic "catchall" one. Fox had it on their Widescreen VHS tapes. They could recycle that one and every other studio could do the same.
    Of course my thread disappeared in a day because no one responded to it. Now I feel more like Nostradamus than Chicken Little.
     
  15. Brad_W

    Brad_W Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2001
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  16. GerardoHP

    GerardoHP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2001
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Los Angeles, California
    Real Name:
    Gerardo Paron
    While I think an educational approach might help a bit with a few customers who are open to becoming "enlightened", I still think this is a very passive way of dealing with this problem and might not yield any significant results anytime soon.
    Sending a direct message -- literally -- to the dealers is a much more aggressive approach that might get us what we want, pronto.
    The WILLIE WONKA case perfectly illustrates this. The studio decided to release a widescreen version when they got s**t from unhappy consumers. That worked.
    ------------------
    Gerardo
     
  17. Marc Colella

    Marc Colella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 1999
    Messages:
    2,607
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  18. Michael Warner

    Michael Warner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 1999
    Messages:
    742
    Likes Received:
    0
    Vote with your dollars. While I'm not naive enough to think that even the membership of this board times 100 could put a dent in the DVD sales at Walmart this issue is really no different than the past troubles with Circuit City. A major retailer is trying to dictate to the public the way in which they should purchase DVDs. In this case it's through their strong-arm tactics with the studios. Don't buy DVDs at Walmart and, if you can manage it, don't buy others things there either. Futile to be sure but I'm not going to support a company that is actively working against a format that I've come to accept as a standard for DVD.
     
  19. HalS

    HalS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2000
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  20. David Brashear

    David Brashear Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2001
    Messages:
    91
    Likes Received:
    0
    Showing people the difference between pan and scan and widescreen is not going to solve the problem. The fact of the matter is, J6P wants the picture to fill his entire screen. I showed some of my friends the difference between pan and scan and widescreen, they just shrugged and said the other side of the frame is just empty space. You think J6P cares about composition or the director's intent! The only way you would be able to convert them is if you put naked chicks on the side of the frame.
     

Share This Page