David Lynch's DUNE--new DVD (merged thread) (1 Viewer)

[Tim_P_76]

I got my wonderful disc at my local Target in NJ. Package and disc were in immaculate condition. A total blind buy; boy did I luck out!

 

[David_Blackwell]

I just read DVD Savant's wonderful review over at DVD Talk. I need to get this disc.

 

[RonaldB]

From what I've heard from others on previous problematic Made in Mexico DVD-18s, the problems show up before and/or after the layer change. I've seen several error scans of these DVD-18s which back this up (the errors tend to spike up on both sides of the layer change like a mountain in an otherwise mostly flat graph). I'd suggest watching 5 minutes before and after the layer change on several different players if you don't have a DVD error scanning drive you trust.

I couldn't find any posts in this thread pinpointing the time code on both layer changes. I believe the theatrical side layer change is 7 seconds into chapter 7 (and in my opinion it's a poor place to put the layer change).

Does anyone know the layer change timecode on the extended edition?

Also, has anyone found a copy without a Made in Mexico sticker on the back of the shrinkwrap? So far the answer seems to be no. Clearly some people are getting decent Made in Mexico discs. Too bad we have no statistics on what percentage of them have problems, but apparently it's a bigger percentage than we'd like or fewer people would be complaining.

 

[Paul Arnette]

Well, I bought my most recent copy at the Circuit City here in Virginia Beach, the first one arriving from Digital Eyes loose inside the case and scratched beyond belief. After about two hours and twenty minutes of watching the extended edition, the disc froze and the player stopped playing it.

I guess I should've expected this, as I ran a Disc Quality scan with Nero's CDSpeed and received a quality score of 38 out of 100 on the extended edition side. The disc passed a ScanDisc on the slowest setting (4X), but showed a few bad sectors when set to maximum.

I am so friggin' pissed right now...

 

[Tim_P_76]

''Does anyone know the layer change timecode on the extended edition?''


From the last 5 or 6 pages, It seems to be a consenus:

1:50:38 mark (the extended version)where the big freeze happens.

 

[Tim_P_76]

double post...

 

[Mark_TS]

actually, if you check the back shrink-wrap, quite a few if not most discs are made in Mexico these days.
thanks, NAFTA.

note: it is not a "sticker" it is ink-stamped on the shrink-wrap, and probably purposely hard to see sometimes

 

[Jon Smith]

Thanks for the times for the layer change.

Im expecting to receive this tomorrow. Its going to be a fun day.

 

[Tarkin The Ewok]

I got mine from Circuit City in Tucson, AZ, and all of the video segments play through with no freezing. I didn't see a Made in Mexico sticker on it, but I wasn't looking for it either.

 

[RonaldB]

Timmy_P wrote regarding the Extended Edition layer change:

"From the last 5 or 6 pages, It seems to be a consenus:

1:50:38 mark (the extended version)where the big freeze happens."

I tried this time code on 2 different players and there was no layer change, and my players aren't that good, so I think 1h50m38s is wrong. I even tried 1:30:58 thinking there might be a transposed number. I don't have time to watch the whole disc any time soon to find the layer change myself.

If anyone knows the correct location of the layer change on the Dune Extended Edition side, please post. Thanks.

 

[Paul Arnette]

RonaldB,

When I get the next copy of Dune, I will try to denote where the layer change is. However, I can tell you that my disc frooze on the extended side *after* the layer change, not during it. How long after, I cannot recall exactly, but it was definitely afterwards.

 

[Tim_P_76]

I tried this time code on 2 different players and there was no layer change, and my players aren't that good, so I think 1h50m38s is wrong. I even tried 1:30:58 thinking there might be a transposed number. I don't have time to watch the whole disc any time soon to find the layer change myself.


Well it's possible then your copy is fine. this is at a point where alot of copies freeze. The layer change isn't a problem for most. That isn't the layer change; it's actually before the TC I gave. I'll find the TC to confirm.

 

[Tim_P_76]

Ronald:

TC for Theatrical- 1:25:47

TC for Extended- 1:22:08

This from the layer locater in my Sony DVD player. Check all *3* time codes!

 

[Hans M.]

Just finished watching my entire Dune DVD, which was indeed made in Mexico. I’m relieved to report that it played perfectly on my Yamakawa DVD 218. That thing plays everything! It didn’t even show any hesitation at the layer changes. I think the player is a generic Sony player, but I’m not sure. Regardless, I think I just got a good DVD. For the poster who asked where good versions of this DVD were purchased: I got mine at Circuit City, near Miami International Airport if that much detail makes any difference.

But I must chime in that I also noticed many more missing scenes from the extended cut than were previously reported:

1) The segment when the Baron spits on Lady Jessica is cut out.

2) The part where Paul places a thumper and tells Jessica to walk without rhythm.

3) When Paul takes the water of life we do not see the other Bene Gesserit types suffer their nose bleeds.

4) The end where Paul informs Chani she will be his concubine.

I also noticed the cut footage cut for violence: The heartplug scene, for instance (was there some other one?). But then I also noticed several other scenes that were particularly violent still intact, which I find quite inconsistent, if indeed the other violent scenes were cut for the sake of their gruesomeness. For instance, we still see the Baron ripping open Duke Lito’s face to reveal gas coming from within his mouth, during Paul’s waking dream. You also plainly see Rabban’s bloody, severed head at the foot of the Emperor’s throne. So, if the extended cut was edited for violence why do these scenes remain while the scene with the blood spurting from the flower boy’s chest has been cut?

Finally, I also noticed the Prophecy Theme by Brian Eno is replaced with a more traditional symphonic score, despite the fact he remains credited in the opening titles.

These were all the cuts I recall from the “extended cut.” Maybe there are more? With some perspective I can see that the reasons all these scenes may have been cut was to keep the film more comprehensible because all these scenes would demand exposition (except maybe Barron’s spitting on Jessica). But God forbid we have some mystery in a David Lynch film! No wonder he wanted his name removed from this version.

 

[Jon Smith]

Well I got mine today.

After checking 1:50 mark on the Extended edition I was really happy to find it had to no problems.

However I just read this thread for the times of the layer changes, I do get freezes there ! :frowning:

But this kind of problem occurs on a lot of my discs (not DVD-18s) using this drive (its a DVD-ROM) and usually works on my DVD player on the TV and with my laptop.

So off to try it on those. Im not happy because this PC is the only system with a 5.1 setup.

EDIT: yep theatrical works fine on my laptop. Extended has a slight hiccup on the layer change for about 5 seconds but then goes back to normal.



Whats more annoying though, why does the Extended cut look a lot better than the threatical cut !!?

I think im going to try and swap this once, if that turns out to be the same, its going to have to be the french DVD. But I miss out on these deleted scenes.

 

[Jon Smith]

I tried it on my TV DVD player and it plays fine on both sides. There is a slight pause at the layer change but its pretty much like other discs - but could they not put it in a worse place ? No prolonged stuttering, no freezing.

Im not going to bother sending it back now. Im not going as far as saying its not faulty and that its just a compatibility issue, because obviously it is faulty and the problems are no doubt down to DVD-18s and shoddy manufacturing. I shall be sending a complaint email anyway.

Shame I can't watch it in 5.1. I suppose the original soundtrack is Stereo and my pro-logic set up would kinda be closer to that.

And nice tin, same size as a standard DVD case, easy to open, easy to take disc out. And I love the artwork on the back.

 

[John Sullmeyer]

I have a new issue that I haven't seen anyone report yet. On the Extended version, at about 20:29, on my disc and I imagine others, the audio it totally messed up. I can hear dialogue from the theatrical version of the Princesses opening monologue underneath the scenes dialogue. It's almost like it has bled over from the other side. I know that it's not possible from Digital, but this is just to much. Has anyone else noticed tis? I can't believe that it is intentional.

 

[Paul Arnette]

John,

I watched the Extended Edition almost fully twice, and I have no recollection of a scene where the audio does what you described.

The release is frustrating to be sure. It took four copies for me to finally get a satisfactory one. The first arrived loose in the case and was scratched to hell. One trip to Best Buy reveal that the only three copies of Dune there at that time were also loose in their cases. So, while the packaging seems to be the only thing that repeatedly gets kudos, I thought I would be the bastard that complained about that too.

The second too had terrible Disc Quality scores on Nero's CD-DVD Speed. The fourth time, however, appeared to be the charm with a disc that played all the way through without a hitch. Believe me, I know it did because I played everything on both sides, right down to the Production Notes.

Unfortunately, my Casino: Anniversary Edition is proving a tougher nut to crack. I just got my fourth bad copy today. While I don't want to, I am starting to think I will have to settle for the quitely re-released Casion: Special Edition.

Without a doubt, Universal has earned every bit of their dubious 'Worst Studio' award.

 

[Hakan Eriksson]

Forget this…

 

[John Sullmeyer]

Thanks Paul. This is just the weirdest thing I have ever encountered with any DVD. I'll see if I can provide an audiobyte just so you all don't think I am crazy. I tried making changes on my reciever and the DVD player, but no luck. It's meshed on the track somehow.